Is the PS3 Doomed?

[cressless]

Well thing is between the PS2 and PS3 generations Sony made a lot of bad public statements, doubled the initial asking price of their system, tried pitching it as an all in 1 media box, and got ballsy enough to tell people to STFU that they were being nice to people saying they priced it too cheap.

That pissed off a TON of both long standing Sony hardware owners (like myself) and fueled the fires of people who have been strongly allied in their buying power to one of the other guys. Honestly Sony basically asked for and well deserved the abuses they've have shoveled at them since pre-launch with their very arrogant, bizarre, and generally very bad behavior.

Now they've stepped up and are trying to act like the caring company by knocking down the price of the 60GB unit by $100, killed the smaller one in some part awhile ago, and then reinstated the $600 tag on a unit with just 20 more GB of HDD space still falling 40GB short and with a $20 higher tag of the direct competition (360.)

They're not really opening themselves up to gaining much love from the market on the whole. This drop per-say, of the 60GB unit has just opened the door to a few Sony huge fans who couldn't pony up the $600 as easily as the $500 so they'll see a boost in sales for the time being. Once those guys get their stuff, just like the Christmas shopping season boom, it will taper off and stagnate again as it's just too much damn money.

They seriously need a fair price and some solid unique titles to start doing some serious catch up. MS has some good showings for them, Wii has a few too in its short lifespan + that price is just hard to ignore at $250 and games being $30-50 vs $50/60 on the other two.

Again that's why I picked YES, they're 'doomed' for now, not as a company, not as a brandname, just in the sales wars between the three until they get their heads out of their asses.

What you just described is just what happens when a company is king. Nintendo used to treat its developers with hefty royalty fees so that games would get the "official seal of quality" and then have the security checksum chip for the system to even allow the game to play (wikipedia Nintendo for more details). Though at least I can't recall Nintendo giving the consumers the big public FU...

Sony was on top for ages with the PS2 and they acted all high and mighty - got what they deserved - and if MS or Nintendo get to where Sony was with the PS2 I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the same gall.

If the price drops a bit more or I see a couple really good games on PS3 I'll probably get one; personally I don't think the wii has many good single player games yet for me drop 250$. That's comparable to buying something just because it was on sale. Though Smash Brothers and Metroid should be coming soon... Maybe then

 

[skullstatue]

Wait, wait, wait, is the PS3 Open Source or not?

 

[leetdude_007]

Sony has a lot of money to sink and they also are multinational enough to adapt. The Sony name is not going to die for a very long time.

 

[Legend]

Yeh, I'd just like to point out that everyone saying,"ZOMG IF YEW F0T3D YESH YOUR FANBOY IF YOU VOET NO URF FABNOY TOO111ONE1!ZUTALORS!11ONENUB!"....
This forum is called "GBATemp". What's a Gba? A product made by NINTENDO. There's gunna be a lot of nintendo fans here. Also, Microsoft has a nice system going for them too.

Quite frankly, Sony has been doing shit so far. They have a lot of franchises going for them that might be able to save themselves, this generation.

Let's all do eachother a favor here, and stop calling eachother 'fanboys'. We're all fans of something, and who fucking cares if you're a fan of sony, m$, or nintendo?

YOU'RE ALL FANBOYS OF VIDEOGAMES, ZOMG ZUT ALORS!!!!!!!

 

[ozzyzak]

Yeh, I'd just like to point out that everyone saying,"ZOMG IF YEW F0T3D YESH YOUR FANBOY IF YOU VOET NO URF FABNOY TOO111ONE1!ZUTALORS!11ONENUB!"....
This forum is called "GBATemp". What's a Gba? A product made by NINTENDO. There's gunna be a lot of nintendo fans here. Also, Microsoft has a nice system going for them too.

Quite frankly, Sony has been doing shit so far. They have a lot of franchises going for them that might be able to save themselves, this generation.

Let's all do eachother a favor here, and stop calling eachother 'fanboys'. We're all fans of something, and who fucking cares if you're a fan of sony, m$, or nintendo?

YOU'RE ALL FANBOYS OF VIDEOGAMES, ZOMG ZUT ALORS!!!!!!!

It's one thing to be a fan, it's another to make baseless arguments for why Sony is going to fail. You're right, the GBA is made by nintendo. But does that mean that we have to bash other systems? Bash them on merit (or lack of), not just because you're a fan of something else.

 

[pikachucrackpipe]

oh btw
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=sne
sony's stock after their e3 announcements. it didn't lose

 

[deathfisaro]

While we are having "Is PS3 doomed?" poll in global site GBAtemp, in Japanese site somewhere they must be having "Is 360 doomed?" poll.

I think Japanese people don't harass '360 owners in Japan' as much as Americans harass 'PS3 owners in America'.
(quotes just to clarify which area the owners live in, not where the harassment is happening)

Should we concerned so much about how American company selling console targeted at Americans failed in Japan, and how Japanese company selling console targeted at Japanese failed in America, and how Japanese company selling console tarted at everyone succeeding everywhere?

I can't understand haters. If you think something sucks, don't buy it and don't play it. Until when will you stop saying you hate it, when half the world agrees you? When every single Sony workers and its buyers agree you? Well, hopefully by your 10th birthday.

In a free country, you can spend money in any legal way (even in illegal ways) you want. I can buy an empty can of coke for 2 grands, are you going to say "Dude empty can of coke sucks, get a trashed can of pepsi you loser, you can pick it up for free somewhere"?

Actually after this post I'll give up convincing haters to stop hating. Sony and PS3 is doomed, you win. I so freaking regret buying PSP and PS3, all existing and planned games suck in all Sony products, their Electronics is crap, yay

P.S.

oh btw
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=sne
sony's stock after their e3 announcements. it didn't lose

Look at it with 5days or 3months range, it's still lose

 

[VmprHntrD]

i'm begging that the wii is just a fad. i love my 360, and i just bought a 499 ps3. i'm trying to be platform agnostic, but the fact remains that the wii is a threat to gaming as we know it.

this is an interesing article about the nintendo's lowest-common-denominator tactics ( by cliffy b's brother, no less ) http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/levelup/arc...-overlords.aspx

Whoa whoa moron just said what now? You consider the Wii a threat to gaming? Since when is creating a new form of controlling a game a threat? When is marketing your unit at a consumer friendly price a threat? When is trying to expand into new markets a threat? You seriously are a fool. The only real threat both to consumers and developers this generation has been out of control start up and development costs and continued stagnation trying to still convince the same crap people were tiring of in the last gen is so much more nicer with an even better coat of paint.


Crestless: You're right there, Nintendo did it and got burned, but you're also right, they never gave the consumer the big verbal F U at all, just the 3rd parties with those contracts keeping them off Sega hardware for years. Where I don't and do agree with you on though is whoever takes first again being quite the same kind of outcome. Nintendo I feel learned it's lesson, also the board and chairman in charge now is a game marker...not a greedy blind tyrant. MS though, unless Windows ups and vanishes, if they take first they'll keep it. They can take the pounding with their billions in profit a day to offset losses bribing anyone into exclusive contracts (timed or permanent) and far other devious things both Sony and/or NIntendo have been guilty of int he last 20 years. The problem being is...those 2 couldn't buy themselves out of trouble, and I think MS could.

...and in general...
Going by an earlier post, think 'death' made it up showing 8mo = X units sold had 360 at 2M, PS3 at 1.5, and Wii at 8. You can't gauge failure by that at all which is for sure, so the whole console war thing is just dumb sales wise. Now mind you if it just had 360 and PS3, then yah I can see it. MS and moreso Sony priced themselves out of the mass consumer market in pricing and saddled themselves with the technophile and/or 'anything including sperm for cash' fanatical gamer market who will buy anything from X company they feel some family bond to no matter how much damn money it'll set them back. That is where the disparity comes from. Say the Wii was on the level of the 360 and cost oh $400-500...they'd being overly generous have moved 4m units, but respectively they'd likely be sitting somewhere between 2-3 just because diehard nintendo fans, and curious types for the new gameplay mechanic who got the deep pockets owuld have jumped really negating any substancial lead.

Just something of a hypothetical to consider.

 

[Strider]

Regarding the topic question.

Yes.

End of thread

But seriously, trying to keep a objective view - if they don't change something fast (not only lowering the price a small bit) they lose.

I don't care either way. I don't like the X360 or the PS3, and the Wii isn't really playing in the same league. So no high-tech next gen for me.

 

[SkH]

Why all of you just say that?? Did you all saying this to PS2 too??!!

 

[ZeWarrior]

You know, I have a Nintendo Wii. Does that make me a Fanboy? No. I Pretty much HATE my Wii and want to buy a PS3. It's my opinion. Maybe my previous statement was kinda wrong, but I am not a fanboy of either one. IMO this year 360 will win, but I still want a PS3. I'm happy with what it's getting and how good it already is.

 

[FAST6191]

I think this is my third go here but meh.

To add to Vampire Hunter D's comment I am glad you brought that up serious_sean, to think such a threat could go unnoticed. Consider my local arcades trashed, guitar hero axes smashed (in rock star fashion of course), my DK bongos torched, my maracas for the DC gone, all light guns handed in at the next amnesty, RE chainsaw sleeping with the fishes, dance mats burned with the nonbelievers, racing wheels crashed, camera stuff gone, kids simple controllers banished, skateboard controller snapped and my joystick well and truly resurrected.

 

[Strider]

Why all of you just say that?? Did you all saying this to PS2 too??!!

I can only speak for myself, and haven't read the whole thread.

Background: I have been playing video/pc games since 5 1/4" bootdisks on pcs (8088) were modern (pac-man, decathlon...) and have been watching the videogame market ever since.

Sony has been making several grave mistakes lately, being arrogance, pricy and simply ignoring customer demands. Keeping it short here, let me just say the PS3 simply is not worth it.

Taking myself as an example, I have no motivation whatsoever buying a PS3. And for me, it's not even the money. The console is huge and doesn't have enough games I want; I could not even name ONE right now. I owned several PS1's, own a PSP and PS2.

Also, maybe I've just been burned by the 'quality' of sony products.

p.s. Oh, and no, I didn't say that for the PS2. I actually predicted quite some stuff way beforehand, like the failure of the Dreamcast and the Gamegear, but that's easy to say afterwards. So far I've been saying the PS3 will fail since it's been announced.

 

[VmprHntrD]

Well the rules just changed. I think we need a recount.

Sony took having a near win of the show to the biggest dick in the ass move the E3 has seen in a good while.

The $500 is a closeout price on the 60GB unit, it's done, inventory only, and the 80GB unit is the one they're sticking to for $600.

Oh and if I recall right, isn't this the same 80GB unit that used cost cutting procedures by removing the PSX and PS2 chipsets. Kiss that backwards compatibility the fans were touting byebye.

Anyone else mad now who wasn't quite sure?

 

[cubin']

LOL

sony and the ps3 will be fine just wait a year or two till it comes down in price and has awesome games.

 

[VmprHntrD]

LOL

sony and the ps3 will be fine just wait a year or two till it comes down in price and has awesome games.

You mean when it comes down, has another upgrade, and then, doesn't come down as the price again is for inventory stock clearing?

 

[Sors]

i don't think the PS3 is doomed, however i also don't think it'll ever impact as good as the PS2.

in many senses i see the PS3 as sonys GC. it's a nice console ith some pretty good games coming, but it won't sell tat well and it absolutely won't be market leader.

The PS3 isn't selling well now, it's loosing much third party support to Wii and 360. Probably in a year or 2 after some hits like MGS4 came out and theres another price drop the PS3 will be selling much better, but what will the market look like then?
The Wii will still be selling quite nice, though much worse as now (i don't see the Wii having an as bright future as the DS), the 360 will have sold much better than now (until then many good 3rd party games will be out which aren't shooter games). The PS3 will be a nice alternative by that time, but thats all it will be, it won't reach the "you just have to own one if you are a games"-success of the PS2.

Sony could have done great with the PS3, taking their lead on from the PS2, but they gave it away. I think this is very good for us gamers. since now the market will share much much better on all 3 consoles which all have their novelities and exclusive games will grow better and better by this.