Hacking Discussion Is it safe to just label CFW as console ban suicide?

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Really. Everything about this exchange is... simply beautiful. This is the quality content I joined GBATemp for

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Every decent human being should have 3 switch anyway, one ExFAT for NSP crap, one FAT32 for homebrew and one vanilla with purchased games to go online.

But there will always be crying peasants living in their mom's basement, wanting to have everything with only ONE switch... Good luck with that.
 

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I was unaware that another definition for "Filthy rich" was "Decent" XD

I am not sure where you are living, but less than 1000 USD for your hobby is nothing (considering you will never pay 60 USD each time for one game, 99% of the time). We are not into collecting vintage cars here.
 

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You are very welcome.
Every decent human being should have 3 switch anyway, one ExFAT for NSP crap, one FAT32 for homebrew and one vanilla with purchased games to go online.

But there will always be crying peasants living in their mom's basement, wanting to have everything with only ONE switch... Good luck with that.
While I think you could have worded that better you do have a valid point but 3 Switches for that purpose is a bit overkill. 2 will do the job just fine with switching out the SD card for fat32 homebrew/emulators.
 

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Short version. Yes, unless you keep it offline in the hope that a future hack set will be able to make it look all shiny and legit, or take a backup of the legit version, play offline in hacked mode and restore the legit version later (probably also making new legit versions as it becomes necessary), then go offline in hacked version....

Longer version. Nintendo has been shown to be playing for keeps and are employing complicated high end security as part of it all; this is new for them but indisputable that it is happening. Right now they may not be employing certain checks, or banning for failing certain checks, but the only sensible play in a game theory/battle plan sense is that it is there and to plan accordingly.
Anybody saying [blah] is safe (barring the offline methods described above) is either a fool or not playing the long game. There is a line of thought that says you might get away with certain firmwares if you know only certain checks are done, however "any" update (possibly even any new game or update to one) will realistically see you either diff a firmware to see what changed (for every region no less) or have to re-evaluate. Cable/satellite box companies famously used to have lots of rapid updates on their models to frustrate hackers here and Nintendo could do something similar here if they wanted. Alternatively it might be possible in the future to have a donor switch provide its keys to you to pretend to be another device (see something like 360 key vaults or localfriendcodeseed_b for the 3ds, I assume Nintendo are not stupid enough to do something like the mac bans for the Wii and DS again which were trivially changed locally and did not have a server side list) but that still means a ban, and likely paying someone for a donor set of keys (we shall leave the more black hat methods alone for now).

We have control of early boot on the Switch (or at least enough of them that you will likely be able to find one as long as the online service is viable). In the future as mentioned earlier we will probably have an emulated NAND type option. This will either be used for dual boot to allow people to keep a hacked one offline or mask the hacked version such that it can't be traced back to your serial/keys (which may be easier said than done, and does come with some downsides like what if a hacked save appears on your legit side).

Further in the future then as we have the levels of control we do then someone could go through the firmware, find all the checks Nintendo employ (and it is not necessarily going to be easy -- see obfuscation), possibly be a bit limiting (security can limit things you can do -- the 360 notably employed encrypted memory which makes dynamic recompilation, a favoured method of emulators for post 16 bit era devices, very very hard, hacks them granted a window of unencrypted memory which could be used for that but stuck out like a sore thumb. Going with Nintendo then something not altogether dissimilar saw their javascript engine be slow as sin and thus the browser rather limited in capability compared to what the hardware could probably have pulled off*) and build accordingly. Nobody doing any kind of custom firmware thus far has remotely indicated that they care to play find a check, much less shown they are doing it properly (and for my money what they would have to show is akin to some of the sophistication we see anti malware people employ) and other than TX I would possibly even put some money on the makers of such things not caring to do that on some kind of principle and if not that then apathy.

*it should be noted though that the 3ds had long been surpassed by phones, and in some ways had been surpassed almost from the start -- the stagnation in phone/tablet specs had not yet hit when the 3ds did).

You also have the possibility a homebrew online equivalent will be made. I don't know that I have seen a full one while consoles are active before but I am not going to rule it out entirely, however firing local play over VPNs has been a thing in the past and might be an option here (and unlike most other devices they do appear to have some what would traditionally be known as LAN play games) and the option for a VNC type play (kaillera if you wanted a name of a service popular in games) is also being discussed and has been seen officially for the PS4 and xbone.

Some seem to be of the opinion that an offline console is as good as a banned console (possibly even worse as people have not really got off their arses and set up a game update or even console update sharing service yet). I view this as short sighted. I would say short term pain for long term gain but... it is online current Nintendo online. The fly buzzing around my room right now is probably more annoying to you than losing Nintendo online in the short term.
 

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I am not sure where you are living, but less than 1000 USD for your hobby is nothing (considering you will never pay 60 USD each time for one game, 99% of the time). We are not into collecting vintage cars here.

Except having 3 of the same system is a bit of an overkill. 2 is more than enough if you want to stay safe and unbanned. It's much cheaper and cost effective to have multiple SD cards instead of multiple systems. Just because you CAN spend over 1000 on, as you said, a hobby, doesn't mean you should when there are other methods that are more cost effective and just as good
 
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Except having 3 of the same system is a bit of an overkill. 2 is more than enough if you want to stay safe and unbanned. It's much cheaper and cost effective to have multiple SD cards instead of multiple systems. Just because you CAN spend over 1000 on, as you said, a hobby, doesn't mean you should when there are other methods that are more cost effective and just as good

Interesting way of thinking... Why have a Ferrari when you have a bike?

I am just too lazy to swap SD cards (wear and tear and reboot non stop), and if I work hard, it is a no-brainer to do what I want with my money.
 

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Well, considering there is only a few reports of people claiming to have done nothing but plug xci games and still got banned, you have to take what they say with a grain of salt. When most the people aren't getting banned playing xci's then you know something is right there.

Not to mention there is a large number of people posting that they play xci's only and still haven't gotten banned, but I guess that is easy to gloss over when you are just spreading propaganda to back your choices.

Personally I'm getting tired of people like you who keep lying to try to prove their point.

Here are the facts: 100% of people who install NSP get banned. So far about 5% of people who only claimed to have just played XCI's have gotten banned. So you just need to stop with your lies.
i think you could calm down a little bit, its not 100% lie
i have planty of nsp installed, and i acess eshop just fine yesterday.... never go online with them tho, just play in cfw mode
afaik you only get banned for sure installing nsp through app like nxshop which download directly to your console

I KNOW i will be banned in a near future, but so far so good
 

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Interesting way of thinking... Why have a Ferrari when you have a bike?

I am just too lazy to swap SD cards (wear and tear and reboot non stop), and if I work hard, it is a no-brainer to do what I want with my money.

Again, not everyone is filthy rich and can actually afford to spend over 1000 bucks on a hobby
 

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Again, not everyone is filthy rich and can actually afford to spend over 1000 bucks on a hobby

If for you 1000 USD is filthy rich, you must be living in Africa or South America. Better luck next life!

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But aside from Homebrew, running backups isn't the main focus of having CFW?

Running backups -> Yeah, right, "backups"...
 

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If for you 1000 USD is filthy rich, you must be living in Africa or South America. Better luck next life!

If you're spending over 1000 on a hobby...yeah that's rich to me. And no i don't live in any of those third world countries or anything like that BUT i still need to, you know, actually LIVE. So i can't afford to be spending THAT much money on a hobby
 
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