Or am I wasting my time fiddling more? Using Neogamma and I suppose it was naive of me thinking that just selecting "force PAL" and fiddling with the patch options would do the trick, MH3 just green screens with that, and it's black and white if I let it use NTSC. Googling brings up quite old threads and I don't know if any of those old ISO patchers are worth wasting DVDs on, will they just do the same thing Neogamma does in the end? Same with other loaders, are they worth trying or do they basically use the same method? Reason I thought it would be possible was I had success with patching NTSC PS2 ISOs with a little known program that allowed me to play them fine in full colour with swap disc, even though my TV doesn't support NTSC mode.