is it possible to downgrade with ironhax?

Discussion in '3DS - Homebrew Development and Emulators' started by Piluvr, Aug 9, 2015.

  1. Piluvr
    OP

    Piluvr Resident Masturbator

    Member
    648
    367
    Jul 27, 2015
    United States
    Behind you
    just what the title says
     
  2. Lilith Valentine

    Lilith Valentine GBATemp's Wolfdog™ ☠️Grunt☠️

    Member
    20,197
    21,577
    Sep 13, 2009
    Antarctica
    Between insane and insecure
    Let check my future TV to find out, be back to you when it's released.
     
    fitz420, Margen67 and Boy12 like this.
  3. Psi-hate

    Psi-hate GBATemp's Official Psi-Hater

    Member
    1,666
    1,060
    Dec 14, 2014
    United States
    Houston
    No. You would need Arm11 Kernel for am:u and am:net to install .Cia and probably Arm9 Kernel to mess with Native_Firm
     
  4. nero99

    nero99 GBAtemp Addict

    Member
    2,021
    936
    Sep 18, 2014
    United States
    Have someone install a nand port on your 3DS if you have a bacjup of you original nand. then you can update and downgrade all you want
     
  5. jakerman999

    jakerman999 Member

    Newcomer
    49
    6
    May 15, 2013
    Canada
    If you have a hard mod and a backup of a previous firmware: yes. Else...

    Short answer: no. Long answer: maybe.

    In this vine we see some logging of am:u. am is the process we need to downgrade through, but we don't have access to it with ninjhax2. If Ironhax gives us a backdoor into am, and we have enough control over the process; then we will be able to downgrade. That said, Smea might have a different version of Ironhax than the one he showed off that doesn't use am, or we might not get (enough) access at all.
     
  6. Psi-hate

    Psi-hate GBATemp's Official Psi-Hater

    Member
    1,666
    1,060
    Dec 14, 2014
    United States
    Houston
    I think you would need kernel access to mess with Native_Firm?
     
  7. rotebrotobias

    rotebrotobias GBAtemp Maniac

    Member
    1,040
    256
    Jan 31, 2015
    IRONHAX will be the same as NINJHAX 2.0. You can only get Ironfall Invasion with the lastest firmware, and since 9.3 patched ARM9 exploits to use Gateway, install cia and stuff then it's not possible to downgrade. IRONHAX will only be able to run homebrew.
     
  8. shinyquagsire23

    shinyquagsire23 SALT/Sm4sh Leak Guy

    Member
    1,966
    3,249
    Nov 18, 2012
    United States
    Las Vegas
    am:u is never referenced in that video, it's pulling an am:sys handle. am:u is never used by any apps at all, am:net is useless, and am:sys is also useless for installing things. So without an arm11 exploit you can't possibly install .cias.
     
    Psi-hate likes this.
  9. Psi-hate

    Psi-hate GBATemp's Official Psi-Hater

    Member
    1,666
    1,060
    Dec 14, 2014
    United States
    Houston
    Wouldn't you need to have arm9 exploits in order to touch NATIVE_FIRM, thus making downgrading pointless?
     
  10. shinyquagsire23

    shinyquagsire23 SALT/Sm4sh Leak Guy

    Member
    1,966
    3,249
    Nov 18, 2012
    United States
    Las Vegas
    No if you can fully remove packages you can downgrade them just fine. And you can also modify the NAND directly for NATIVE_FIRM I believe.
     
    Psi-hate likes this.
  11. Psi-hate

    Psi-hate GBATemp's Official Psi-Hater

    Member
    1,666
    1,060
    Dec 14, 2014
    United States
    Houston
    Ah, that clears things up. Thanks again for the info. ^_^
     
  12. rotebrotobias

    rotebrotobias GBAtemp Maniac

    Member
    1,040
    256
    Jan 31, 2015
    Since we're talking about downgrading, some guy named anebel gbr actually downgraded @Viking1337 's little brother's 3DS from 9.8 to 4.5, even if they forgot to make a NAND backup. I have no idea why this guy have been keeping it a secret, but that means that it IS possible to downgrade, but not with Ironhax.
    EDIT: Wasn't really sure what motherboard swapping was.
     
    Last edited by rotebrotobias, Aug 12, 2015
  13. Psi-hate

    Psi-hate GBATemp's Official Psi-Hater

    Member
    1,666
    1,060
    Dec 14, 2014
    United States
    Houston
    Is this true? Unless this guy has a closed exploit (very unlikely) then I don't see how?
     
  14. rotebrotobias

    rotebrotobias GBAtemp Maniac

    Member
    1,040
    256
    Jan 31, 2015
    Viking said that he installed a new board or anything. I don't know much about it, but since Viking contacted him you can ask.
     
  15. Psi-hate

    Psi-hate GBATemp's Official Psi-Hater

    Member
    1,666
    1,060
    Dec 14, 2014
    United States
    Houston
    So he replaced the motherboard? That's weird if that's how he did it. I dunno if that's downgrading or just switching.
     
  16. gamesquest1

    gamesquest1 Nabnut

    Member
    GBAtemp Patron
    gamesquest1 is a Patron of GBAtemp and is helping us stay independent!

    Our Patreon
    14,165
    9,523
    Sep 23, 2013
    yeah swapping the motherboard is not "downgrading" its simply swapping a 9.8 system for a 4.x system...so its downgraded, but its not the same system any more