Hacking Install both Newer and regular Super Mario Bros via WiiVC?

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Hi all -- I was wondering if it's possible to have both Newer super mario bros *and* regular Super Mario Bros installed at the same time as a WiiVC (using the WiiVC tool)? I believe the issue is that both have the same Internal Game Title ID (SMNE) and if I have one installed, then install the other, it overwrites whatever was already installed. Any work around? (I'm installing this via a Wii U)
 

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Hi all -- I was wondering if it's possible to have both Newer super mario bros *and* regular Super Mario Bros installed at the same time as a WiiVC (using the WiiVC tool)? I believe the issue is that both have the same Internal Game Title ID (SMNE) and if I have one installed, then install the other, it overwrites whatever was already installed. Any work around? (I'm installing this via a Wii U)
As long as the game/save ID's r different u sure can
 
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would that specifically be the "pre-generated title id" or "internal game title id" or something else?
Newer already has different internal game title id from New Super Mario, so you can have a save for both games on your Wii/vWii. They would need to have different Wii U title IDs which are pre-generated by the tool.
 

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hmmm, when I load Newer iso into WiiVC injector, it's the same ID as normal SMBW of SMNE/534D4E45 (even when I re-create the Newer ISO, I choose option 3 to create a separate game/save id, I still see it save as SMNE instead of KMN*, so maybe this is more an issue w/the newer ISO builder?)
 
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The version of Newer I used has the same ID and that would make things tricky.
But you can change the game ID of a Wii ISO with relative ease.
Or find a version that has a different title ID or use the builder. But IIRC I did use the builder myself and it used the same title ID. Maybe there is a newer version of the builder I don't know about.
 
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hmmm, when I load Newer iso into WiiVC injector, it's the same ID as normal SMBW of SMNE/534D4E45 (even when I re-create the Newer ISO, I choose option 3 to create a separate game/save id, I still see it save as SMNE instead of KMN*, so maybe this is more an issue w/the newer ISO builder?)
The issue is the WiiVC tool isn't telling you all the information. NSMBW's title ID is SMNE01, whereas my Newer ISO (and probably yours) is SMNE03. You can check this by opening your Newer ISO in a hex editor and checking the first few lines. As long as they aren't identical your saves shouldn't overlap. Once you've got that sorted out you just need to ensure that the pre-generated title IDs are different which should happen by default.
 

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The issue is the WiiVC tool isn't telling you all the information. NSMBW's title ID is SMNE01, whereas my Newer ISO (and probably yours) is SMNE03. You can check this by opening your Newer ISO in a hex editor and checking the first few lines. As long as they aren't identical your saves shouldn't overlap. Once you've got that sorted out you just need to ensure that the pre-generated title IDs are different which should happen by default.

Ah you're right - at least, I see the wbfs is named as such (Newer is named "SMNE03.wbfs") - however, when I load either the newer ISO or the original ISO in wiivc injector, the Pre-Generated Game Title IDs are the same "00050002534D4E45". Can I just manually change the pre-generated game title id for one of them, or will that break something? (they _shouldn't_ be the same though, if I'm doing everything else right, no?)
 

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Ah you're right - at least, I see the wbfs is named as such (Newer is named "SMNE03.wbfs") - however, when I load either the newer ISO or the original ISO in wiivc injector, the Pre-Generated Game Title IDs are the same "00050002534D4E45". Can I just manually change the pre-generated game title id for one of them, or will that break something? (they _shouldn't_ be the same though, if I'm doing everything else right, no?)
I assumed the the pre-generated Wii U title IDs were created randomly by the script, but it looks like it uses the first 4 characters of the Wii title ID as a seed, which makes sense to avoid Wii U title ID collisions for 99% of cases. Bottom line is: you should manually change the pre-generated game title ID for one of the 2 games. You just need to make sure your new title ID isn't the same as any of the titles installed on your system which you can find here: https://wiiubrew.org/wiki/Title_database. Basically, if you change Newer to 00050002534D4E46 you should be fine.
 

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I assumed the the pre-generated Wii U title IDs were created randomly by the script, but it looks like it uses the first 4 characters of the Wii title ID as a seed, which makes sense to avoid Wii U title ID collisions for 99% of cases. Bottom line is: you should manually change the pre-generated game title ID for one of the 2 games. You just need to make sure your new title ID isn't the same as any of the titles installed on your system which you can find here: https://wiiubrew.org/wiki/Title_database. Basically, if you change Newer to 00050002534D4E46 you should be fine.
I have Newer installed and working as 00050002534D4E47 a couple of years ago, I remember that there was an issue with the save file when finishing on 46, can't remember right now why (something about some bit masking) but anyway that ID has worked great for some years, I have completely finished Newer on the WiiU-VC a couple of times using that ID.
 
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I realize it's been a while since I've followed up, but now I'm stuck on a new issue related to this! I stopped messing with this as my son moved onto playing Kirby games, but now we're trying to go back and play New and Newer.

I re-created the wiivc for newer using the "00050002534D4E47" title, and when I try to run it from the wiiu, everything seems like it's working... it loads the custom graphic, screen turns off, "Wii" screen appears (vwii is booted), but then it fades to black and I'm stuck at a black screen. I've deleted any game save info I can find on the wii and wii u related to newer or new, doesn't help. What else is strange is that while I do not see any game or game save data for either game, when I play New off the original disc, my saved game still appears (but how's that possible if I don't see it anywhere?)
 
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Update: I deleted everything (any Newer/New game saves and channels) and started over. Created a new wiivc build for New, it works great. Created a new wbfs for Newer following this guide/tool (using my wbfs for New, selected the option for new game saves for any flavor of Newer) and when I try playing it, it boots into vwii, wii shows up on the gamepad (just like for New), and then black screen indefinitely. I also tried 00050002534D4E48 as a game title as a shot in the dark. Any suggestions?

Update again: I just used this other Newer iso builder instead, https://horizon.miraheze.org/wiki/Newer_Mod_ISO_Builder, and now it works great -- I have both New and Newer running (and used 00050002534D4E47 as the title id in wiivc tool). Thanks so much everyone for your help!!
 
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