If you can go back in Time,which political "Event" would you prevent/avert ?

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None because it would drastically change if you were even Born. However if you could then I would prevent the creation of any form of Political Government Institution at all.

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I've always been kinda curious how things might have played out if native American tribes were left to their own devices and had eventually united to form nation-states across the country. What kind of butterfly effect that might have had on other historical events, how they would've dealt with industrialization, etc.

For the more direct approach/sure thing, yeah I'd kill baby Hitler lol. But one does have to wonder if that would prevent World War 2, or simply delay the start of it and change the reasons for which it was fought.
 

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given most political events are merely manifestations of underlying public sentiment or the will of shady powers behind the scenes, sure you could just kill baby hitler for your own gratification, but i'm sure there were plenty of people with similar thoughts in that era, I mean he did have an army of people ready and willing to follow his direction, to prevent the atrocities of that era you would need to do a lot more than kill 1 person

sad fact is I don't think there is too many events that could be stopped by just doing one thing, you might delay the inevitable i.e stop hitler, but then you just create a new stand-in sadolf bitler and now what's worse is once you return to the new present perhaps the stand-in took slightly different steps and won the war and millions more were killed and its all on you now and you only had 1 chance so you have to live knowing you created that mess and all the pain and torture you witness around you is all your fault, unfortunately to solve many of the worlds darkest time you would basically have to go around and fix millions of issues and problems to change the outcomes

the prudent thing would be to stop whoever creates the ability to go back and rewrite history, that power is something man I don't think will ever be qualified to handle and if it ends up in the hands of the wrong person they could make things a thousand times worse than they already are
 

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None because it would drastically change if you were even Born. However if you could then I would prevent the creation of any form of Political Government Institution at all.

People Live how they want as long as not harm others Fuck Governance.

Your Life Now...

Mr President , Prime Minister Whatever Whoever Bastard it is.

(YOU) 'MAY I USE THE BATHROOM PLEASE'

(BASTARD) 'NO YOU CANT'

(YOU) 'BUT I WILL PISS/SHIT MYSELF'

(BASTARD) 'IF YOU DO THAT YOU WILL BE FINED PENDING FURTHER PROSECUTION)

REMEMBER BE HAPPY:bow:
Putting aside counting "Political Government Institution" as one event, I guess you prefer Corporate Overlords instead?

That would just result in unstoppable, technologically-advanced Nazis.
So, we are Doomed.
 

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My first thought would be to prevent 9/11, but actually it would be even better to prevent George W. Bush from winning the 2000 election. His presidency bankrupted the USA and turned the world against us. He created two pointless, expensive and poorly executed wars and the worse financial collapse of the last 50 years.

Al Gore might have prevented 9/11 by acting on the intel that Bush didn't, but even if he didn't stop 9/11, he wouldn't have started the Iraq war, which was completely unrelated and was all about the Bush family grudge and Halliburton's profits. Gore would have either not invaded Afghanistan or would have worked with the locals to make it a winnable war. Maybe he would have just went after Bin Laden directly like Obama did. If the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq hadn't happened, the trillions of dollars could have been spent on our crumbling country, and a massive and pointless loss of life could have been prevented.

Plus, Al Gore would have delayed or maybe even stopped climate change since that was his big thing at the time.
 

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Plus, Al Gore would have delayed or maybe even stopped climate change since that was his big thing at the time.
Has the climate ever not changed in the history of this planet? Al Gore must have been a god-like chap. Let´s not de-rail this thread. I cannot assess the impact of these policies. I just couldn´t resist.
 
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That would just result in unstoppable, technologically-advanced Nazis.
You are incredibly cruel. Why kill Baby Hitler? Just give him an N64.
Give NAZI advance tech??
DO you want IRON SKY... cause thats how you get IRON SKY
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Has the climate ever not changed in the history of this planet? Al Gore must have been a god-like chap. Let´s not de-rail this thread. I cannot assess the impact of these policies. I just couldn´t resist.
yea but have millions tons of Man-made and/or cultivated gases did not help the process. it created a record speed-run of Humanity's destruction with game breaking Glitches
 
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I've always been kinda curious how things might have played out if native American tribes were left to their own devices and had eventually united to form nation-states across the country. What kind of butterfly effect that might have had on other historical events, how they would've dealt with industrialization, etc.

For the more direct approach/sure thing, yeah I'd kill baby Hitler lol. But one does have to wonder if that would prevent World War 2, or simply delay the start of it and change the reasons for which it was fought.
Would they have formed nation states? Without modern communications (and bearing in mind they did not even have horses or a real equivalent) and farming methods (again no horses to drag ploughs around, few crops really worth considering either and geography to grow them dubious at that with the whole north-south thing) you do find a natural limit on the size of empires/countries, populations and the like. There is also the geography question of is it plausible for some kind of industrialised society to have formed even if that is handwaved in some way? Following discovery of it (pretty much inevitable) then you are never going to stop "ooh free land" (or "ooh free converts") and the mass kill off by disease short of dropping modern technology on it as far as medicine, vaccinations and weaponry, which then means probably them expanding out and taking over the rest of the world. That or go really far back and do basic bluewater navigation (open sea navigation and seafaring is hard, most things throughout history splashed around in nice costal waters rarely losing sight of land, also why those which bordered on the north sea tend to make the best seafarers) enough for trade (and horses/wheat/sheep/...) for say Carthage or maybe one of the west African states and that is several thousand years difference at this point. That or going back even further and hoping whatever horse analogue was both useful as a farm animal and not wiped out by the ancestors of the nowadays American Indians and its worth realised which is probably going to be 10000 years difference in history (not to mention probably still no contact with the rest of the world so likely disease issues, maybe with some reverse exchange).

Also yeah I would +1 a Hitler was not really one of those great men of history that did have actions pivot solely around them and would not have come to pass. Some would say the conditions of surrender for world war 1 pretty much ensured world war 2 -- still would have seen hyperinflation, political polarisation, secret army building (it was happening way before Nazis came to power, not to mention the Treaty of Versailles was an awful way of neutering an army), hyper nationalism and whatever else. Sykes-Picot Agreement also ensures the middle east is a hole to this day, granted that did not need much convincing.
Even if it was the case I would have the Hitler vs Stalin question if I am purely about preventing evils of the 20th century (though do I do Stalin or go back further and make it so the white army in Russia wins), and just in Europe (plenty of arseholes in Africa and Asia to consider in this, several others in Europe too -- Franco, Mussolini). 20th century arseholes are also in some ways not even with the high score there -- do I go for Genghis Khan (if you want to talk about ripples then... world changing beyond most others here), Napoleon, king of Belgium (see Belgian congo), Chinese emperors, Chinese communists (not that what was there otherwise was too much better), Japanese warlords, Mughals in India, Shaka Zulu (ripple effects of him are crazy), Bantu expansion (even more ripple effects), Spanish inquisition, ascendancy of the Habsburg dynasty, Attaturk, Muhammed (and he was something of an anomaly as these things go, though it was also considerable work on the part of those after him that turned him from random desert cult leader into something that lasted)... some of those are quite questionable if doing the "unquestionably bad" thing as well.
World war 1 might be easier to stop as that was arguably a series of very unfortunate events. However we then have the concert of Europe thing to consider (world war 1 as it stands was a series of unfortunate events but modern warfare, arguably first seen in a little backwater called the US during its civil war, was a possibility) as it was a well known risk long before then, not to mention Austria-Hungary was pretty much cooked at this point and that was never going to end pretty. The butterflies of that are also considerable and may not make for something those today might like; world war 2 might have brought about the end of empires but 1 put a bullet in the knee of them and changed society quite radically (to say nothing of all those war dead did rather stop the Malthusian Trap problem for a few more decades).
What would stopping world war 2 also do for me? European empires would continue, Americans would probably be isolated (rarely the path to the land of milk and honey if you like modern freedoms and fun there), I don't know what Russia/USSR would have done here and things might have instead not been two fronts and invaded in winter.


For my money. Would probably find a point in history wherein scientific advancement was held back and sort that, and there are a fair few. Depending upon what goes then humans could be centuries ahead of what we have today (though there are some that might argue that is required those centuries to advance the human animal to the point of taking it).
Not sure where and when though, and how to seed it such that further random chance or elites holding onto their power would not snuff it out as they get displaced by said advancements*.

*"You must allow my poor hauliers to earn their bread" seemingly attributed to Roman Emperor Vespasian who died in about 89CE in response to automation of some things there, the concept of technological unemployment going back further still.
 

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Also yeah I would +1 a Hitler was not really one of those great men of history that did have actions pivot solely around them and would not have come to pass.
The night of the long knives (1934) did steer the party in his direction. Maybe the war between the USSR and the German Empire could have been avoided if e.g. Ernst Röhm had lead the NSDAP.
 
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