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If mass shootings happen or just some horrific act.. blame games and anime.

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I'm really doubtful about that, because:
"The White, non-Hispanic or Latino population make up 61.3% of the nation's total, with the total White population (including White Hispanics and Latinos) being 76.9%" and "African Americans total population: 14.1% of the total U.S. population (2017) " So then why do I mostly see black faces (I counted ≈63 out of 98 = ≈61.74?) The numbers are not adding up...maybe racists?
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The photo has been scrutinized by Snopes and the best they could do to discredit it is that it depends on what your definition of a mass shooting is. If using the "Mass Shooting Tracker" definition though, which is what the news outlets and gun control advocates rely on when they tell you how many mass shooting have happened already this year (i.e. 4 or more persons shot in one incident), Snopes conceded it was accurate. Because of this 'depends on your definition' angle though, they gave it a 'mixed' rating.

They even said this:
In fact, the full list of mass shootings (according to the broad definition used in the August 2019 meme), is likely to skew even more towards non-white perpetrators than the meme itself shows. This is because, as we explained in our examination of 2018 statistics for mass shootings, unsolved shootings often remain unsolved due to the dynamics inherent in gang conflict.


https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mass-shooter-shooting-mugshots/
 

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Racist how?
It is not about race, but about inherited social status. A simple fact, if your ancestors had more money you will have more money and also you will have got better education opportunities that leads to more money again.
It might be an expression of class/status, but not really related to race per se.
You said "the average white person has more disposable income" in your previous post. This seems like you are saying that people of color can't be mass shooters because they are systematically poorer than whites. When you add that sentence with this reply, you're saying that because people of color were poor at one time, they will likely never be successful. Sounds like a very racist thing to say to me.

Also, this "theory" about inherited wealth has been debunked time and time again just like the gender wage gap. Anybody who works hard enough can become successful in life. Even a millionaire can lose it all and end up homeless. Please stop listening to the fake news on CNN and Vox as they do not think facts matter.

Yes, but mass shooters are not known criminals usually, they are usually not very wise about black market and criminal life. They usually are your average citizen with a little of crazy.
You may want to do background checks on some of the mass shooters that were in that internet photo you said could have been falsified in your previous post. A lot of them have criminal records. Just because you don't know of them, that doesn't mean they are not "known criminals". The fake news media only show you the mass shootings that fit their narrative of white people killing POC's. They couldn't care less about mass shootings from gang violence or any non-whites especially if they occur in poorer communities.

Average citizen, huh? I don't know where you come from, but where I come from, the average citizen doesn't go shooting up people because they are angry or for any reason. I know some crazy people and none of them has ever shot one person, let alone committed mass shootings.
 

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You said "the average white person has more disposable income" in your previous post. This seems like you are saying that people of color can't be mass shooters because they are systematically poorer than whites. When you add that sentence with this reply, you're saying that because people of color were poor at one time, they will likely never be successful.
That is not true, it is flawed logic and not what I said.
It is just a matter of population and geometric growth.
With time it will grow, and also it is not a matter of race as I said, it is a matter of previous status quo.
It is not about white, black or whatever, it is not about race actually, but when race is tied to previous status in some land then it becomes statistically tied until (and if) the situation reverts.
Just to make the point to make you see what I am talking is not about a race in particular: If you go to China or Japan, then white people resident there will not be -in average- the ones with the better economical standing.

Sounds like a very racist thing to say to me.
Look, if all you want is to argue I am not in the mood. I will leave you to enjoy your endeavors on your own. "This sounds very grumpy to me", whatever, not a kid anymore.

Also, this "theory" about inherited wealth has been debunked time and time again just like the gender wage gap. Anybody who works hard enough can become successful in life. Even a millionaire can lose it all and end up homeless. Please stop listening to the fake news on CNN and Vox as they do not think facts matter.
That is not true, but again look for somebody else to argue with. And stop talking about that fake American companies, I don't give a fuck about what the media feeds you all, where the hell do you get the idea that I go out of my way to watch propaganda meant for Americans?

You may want to do background checks on some of the mass shooters that were in that internet photo you said could have been falsified in your previous post. A lot of them have criminal records. Just because you don't know of them, that doesn't mean they are not "known criminals". The fake news media only show you the mass shootings that fit their narrative of white people killing POC's. They couldn't care less about mass shootings from gang violence or any non-whites especially if they occur in poorer communities.
Again with the fake news. Boring.
Also this is moving the goalpost in some way. It is very interesting how "mass shooting" has been defined to go for those pictures.

When I talk about mass shootings I mean unexpected mass shootings in places one would consider safe, in the same vein of serial killers. That concept of mass shooting is exactly what makes the average person feel quite unsafe, because no matter if you don't involve yourself in criminal activities or if you avoid danger zones that might be raided by gangs, you can all the same be affected by a mass shooting. It does not work at all like organized crime, it doesn't really have an organized purpose that you could avoid... it is just domestic terrorism.

The concept of mass shooting used for coming up with that picture you posted is genius in the way it moves the goalpost, I really believe Goebbels would have been proud of the person that came up with that idea. This concept is not what I talk about when I talk about mass shootings, and I would say nobody else actually thinks of that concept either.

Average citizen, huh? I don't know where you come from, but where I come from, the average citizen doesn't go shooting up people because they are angry or for any reason. I know some crazy people and none of them has ever shot one person, let alone committed mass shootings.
Well, if you actually come from America, I think it is the only place where more than one digit mass shootings per year occur in the whole world, so even though I never though about it, perhaps yes: the place where you come from is the only where more citizens than average go shooting people because they are angry or for some reason... the ONLY place in the world.
 
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Again with the fake news. Boring.
Also this is moving the goalpost in some way. It is very interesting how "mass shooting" has been defined to go for those pictures.


It's the same definition used by Mass Shooting Tracker and Gun Violence Archive, and reported by major news outlets anytime they want to tell you how many mass shootings there have already been this year. USA Today, CBS News, Yahoo News, Vox, PBS, Vice, Washington Post (just the ones I could easily find) have all either directly cited the Mass Shooting Tracker stats or else applied the same "4 persons or more" standard when they want to scare people with a big number.

Snopes covered this once before, again with a "Mixture" verdict, when it analyzed the viral claim that the USA had 251 mass shootings in the first 216 days of 2019.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/251-mass-shootings-in-us/

Despite Snopes' claim that there is no universal definition, among gun control advocates and the press this has been the definition used to report as fact the number of mass shootings that has occurred. They just don't give you a look at each offender, as that photo above does. Nor do they provide factual descriptions of each event ... for that you've got to really dig. There was an attempt on Reddit once to audit Mass Shooting Tracker's stats, and they uncovered incidents where a bb gun was used rather than an actual firearm, where a person who was injured falling down while running away was included as a 'shooting injury', etc. In other words, they work as many incidents into their 'mass shootings' total as they can get away with.

Here's one exception in media reporting, from several years ago, where the LA Times discussed how definitions change the statistics dramatically.

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-san-bernardino-mass-shooting-statistics-20151204-story.html

It was about 2015, but depending on the definition used, the number was 353 .... or 4. That's obviously a huge difference, but when CBS News runs a story titled, "There have been more mass shootings than days this year," I think you know which definition they're using. And that definition wasn't invented by the people who made the picture above.

You used the term "fake news." If so, then here's some more.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mass-shootings-2019-more-mass-shootings-than-days-so-far-this-year/
 
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If whites have more disposable income, why are there more black mass shooters in America? Asians have more disposable income than white people in America. Why are there not more Asian mass shooters in the media than whites?
1. Who can say there are? It's as simple as lying to the public, something the government has done in the past.
2. Maybe because Asians make up 6.9% of the total U.S. population (2017) (Wikipedia) and of that 6.9 maybe less then 2% would commit that crime.
 
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Despite Snopes' claim that there is no universal definition, among gun control advocates and the press this has been the definition used to report as fact the number of mass shootings that has occurred. They just don't give you a look at each offender, as that photo above does. Nor do they provide factual descriptions of each event ... for that you've got to really dig. There was an attempt on Reddit once to audit Mass Shooting Tracker's stats, and they uncovered incidents where a bb gun was used rather than an actual firearm, where a person who was injured falling down while running away was included as a 'shooting injury', etc. In other words, they work as many incidents into their 'mass shootings' total as they can get away with.

It was about 2015, but depending on the definition used, the number was 353 .... or 4. That's obviously a huge difference, but when CBS News runs a story titled, "There have been more mass shootings than days this year," I think you know which definition they're using. And that definition wasn't invented by the people who made the picture above.
That's... sad, and unprofessional, and unethical... but oh well, what can one expect from mass media nowadays, it is and has been for a long time now very disappointing.

It is a little like the tale of the boy who cried wolf, they have earned the reputation they have now, and when the time comes that they need to alert the population about a real problem, well, the wolf will be already digesting us before we realize it was real.
 

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@sarkwalvein. I'm not arguing. My first reply was to question you on what you said. The second reply was to answer your questions and comments to me. If you think a civil conversation is attacking you, then I hope you find the facts that wake you up to the truth instead of letting the opinions of others define you.

1. Who can say there are? It's as simple as lying to the public, something the government has done in the past.
While I agree that the government does lie to people no matter who you are, the truth is that the democratic party not only lies but hides the truth to keep their followers compliant to their lies.

2. Maybe because Asians make up 6.9% of the total U.S. population (2017) (Wikipedia) and of that 6.9 maybe less then 2% would commit that crime.
Black men make up 6-7% of the population here in the US yet commit over 50% of the total murders (FBI crime database). Just because there are few of a certain group does not mean they are not capable of committing crimes at high numbers.
 
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Yes, never expect an Internet picture not to be fabricated and biased to make a point disregarding the facts.
Anyway TBH I believe you Americans have a social problem, something in your society drives people shit crazy.
The availability of guns make it easier thereafter, but the problem of crazy comes before.
And then, regarding this last point, you might have more white mass shooters logically because let's be honest, it is easier for white people to obtain guns for several reasons, one of them: the average white person has more disposable income.
We always been a gun violent country. Social Problem probably. But not everywhere. And not as violent as Latin America. U.S. is mostly relatively safe. I know people here from communist regimes that say the States is heaven and that we’re spoiled with a good life in comparison.



There’s also the disparate impact to explain why U.S. is mostly safe but a few areas that makes us seem really violent. To put things in context most crimes happens in a small number of areas. In U.S. 75% of crimes happen in just 5% of street Addresses. In South America Bogota one of the most dangerous places in the world, 98% of Homicides happens in 2% of Street addresses.

U.S. is also a really big country so just a few areas can make us all look bad.



Disparate impact is everywhere if you look. Just like most tornadoes in the world happens in the U.S and mostly in the middle of the U.S. There are many people in the U.S. that don’t worry about tornadoes. Just like Hispanics being overly represented in baseball compared to their population numbers, and Blacks over represented in basketball, and Asian Americans over represented in MIT and Cal Tech.


Blacks over represented in Gun Homicide numbers. People living near the coast over representing the amount of people that have wealth compared to people living in the mountains who over represent being poor.

In Czarist Russia their University in Estonia for the 19th Century was over represented by Germans. Not by Estonians that we’re the local majority or Russians that were the national majority, but Germans.

Men over represented in being struck by lightning then Women.


Disparate impact is also used to justify that racism exists in areas when there isn’t any on a big scale. Any where you look there is inequality everywhere. Disparate impact explains the U.S. looking like a really gun violent war zone when its not like that everywhere.
 
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