Hulk Vs Superman

[spotanjo3]

Didnt you guys notice ? He only comment once and there are 3 pages now. Obvious, he decide not to say anything because it does make a sense which some of you mentioned Superman would outsmart Hulk. I guess ryukyus was wrong.

 

[WildWon]

Didnt you guys notice ? He only comment once and there are 3 pages now. Obvious, he decide not to say anything because it does make a sense which some of you mentioned Superman would outsmart Hulk. I guess ryukyus was wrong.

Check 3 posts up for my last post. I don't think he WOULD outsmart Hulk.

We need to get some comic writers in here to discuss this. ...hmm... i wonder if i could talk to a few and see what they'd say.

I smell a project!

 

[Raestloz]

So in conlcusion:

1. Wild, stupid, brainless, full of rage battle
Condition: No defensive stance, all-out attacks are to be taken in full

Winner: Hulk
Reason: Not even a Superman can withstand the punch of the mighty Hulk, since his pucnh wil only make Hulk stronger. If he evolves to Hyperman, then maybe something can be done

2. Tactical, full of brain, boring battle
Condition: Using tactics is not a must, but doing so will give you advantage

Winner: Superman

eason: Superman can go to outerspace, now even the ever-evolving Hulk can't escape Black Hole. Hulk can't catch the light, and light can't escape Black Hole. If he evolves into Black Hole itself, then maybe something can be done

 

[SirSweeps]

I Don't believe that the majority rule here has gone along with Super ... And for those of you who don't know Superman has two weaknesses ... Kryptonite and Magic (as outlined by his confrontations with Myxlplyx and blatantly stated in MK V. DC)...
And in a fight with Hulk ... that all depends on which hulk your talking about... The Original hulk... yeah superman would best him but the most recent iteration of the Hulk, not even close..
Not only does the post "World War" Hulk contain a better intellect but thanks to his time on Planet Sakaar has also learned how to fight (both hand to hand and with weapons)
So simply put the Hulk would hands down Destroy Superman ...

And for those of you who claim that Superman Can breath in space ... sorry, your wrong! Not a single issue of Superman ever eludes to that fact (and if you can find it ... Prove it!). But they both have giant lung capacity and with such can go without breathing for a long time.

Now A list of powers for you (Using the actual comics for a reference):

Shared powers-

Super Strength:
Both the Hulk as well as Superman have super human strength (but given that the Hulks Strength is rage based this basically allows him limitless strength so the point goes to the Hulk)

Super metabolisms and body chemistry:
Both the Hulk and Superman are able to go long periods without having to eat (Superman in particular is almost able to sustain himself on pure sunlight alone).
Both can hold their breaths for an extended amount of time.
Now the most important thing to take into account here is their individual (to use a Marvel term) Healing factor... Superman has proven to recover from almost any mortal wound inflicted on him but as stated in various comics takes quite a bit of time if not in direct sunlight (Specifically Earth's yellow sun) whereas the Hulk can recover from almost any sort of damage instantaneously regardless of where he is... I do believe Hulk also has the upper hand here, so another point to Hulk.

Resistance to extreme temperatures and the Vacuum of space:
Both have this and as far as I can tell are Pretty equal ... as there is no definite winner no point will be given.

And that pretty much ends the similarities (and come to think of it, Hulks powers)

So all thats left is Superman specific powers

Flight:
It has been shown that Superman can fly right up to the lower stratus without much trouble but once he hits the outer stratus has the added strain of extreme cold, the simple need to breath and the Vacuum of space (for the record the Hulk at base power is able to jump to heights nearing the upper stratus and for those of you who think Superman could simply fling him from space toward Earth and kill him sorry again ... the Hulk is able to with stand a fall from the upper stratus without much trouble "and applying what we know about terminal velocity that simply means it wont work"
So advantage Superman, bottom line "Does it matter?" If Superman can stay away from Hulk then yeah it helps ... but you have to take into account that although he is "Super" he is only a kryptonian and there for gets tired where as the Hulk doesn't ...
all that being said, I can't honestly give a point to anyone here as it gives Superman an advantage but in a true fight to the death it wouldn't really matter...

Super freeze/power breath:
Ok so its cold, and able to blow buses around ... In this fight does it matter ... NO, the Hulk can take extreme temperatures and can withstand sonic blasts (without budging) way stronger then anything Superman can breath out ... So, bottom line its a nuisance but will never really do any damage to the Hulk... again no point given as it would play no real roll in a the battle...

X-ray vision:
Well I guess Superman could use it to spot Hulk coming while he cowers behind a building or something (provided its not made of lead) ... so advantage Superman but I can't give a point to Superman because he has never really used this power in any major fight he has been in ...

Heat vision:
I guess it would sting the Hulk but isn't really that powerful to do any real damage to him or even push him back (like say a blast from cyclops or a sentinel for that matter) and it loses strength when used from a distance... so again a nuisance but wouldn't really matter ...

Super speed:
Well it helps ... If running away ...


So the Bottom line is Hulk 2 ... Superman 0

and to please all those crying about Superman's tactical fighting style (I can hear you now) "he could just keep away from him (flying or running) to avoid getting hit and then strike while the Hulk tries to catch up (or run around him and catch him from behind) and use his little laser beam eyes or blow on him" Boo Hoo sorry ... you have to remember even Superman has his limits (all that would do is prolong the fight) eventually he would get tired and have to face Hulk head on and there he cannot win.

Long story short the Hulk wins because he is a mutant with (precieved) limitless power ... as stated before the more damage he sustains the stronger he gets not to mention his healing factor and Superman's inevitable tiring simply makes this fight almost one sided ...
Superman dies pummeled to death by The Hulk...

 

[Raestloz]

Super Strength: does that mean Superman can throw Hulk to outer space?

A head-on fight is surely impossible for Superman, the only way to beat Hulk is by using cheap tactics. Flinging Hulk to Mars is enough to indirectly beat him. hulk may as well be alive, but he won't be able to jump high enough to get back to earth, where the tournament is held.

That being said, once the count reaches 10, Superman is standing, and Hulk is nowhere to be found lol

 

[SirSweeps]

but he won't be able to jump high enough to get back to earth

Now you have a point ... If Superman was able to get him to Mars quick enough at the beginning of the fight
"the Hulk at base power is almost able to jump into orbit"

 

[Raestloz]

Getting back to earth is no easy task, it takes days for a rocket (which is faster than Hulk's jumping speed) to get to Mars, if Hulk can go back to earth from the Moon it might be possible, but getting back to Earth from Mars is something not easy to do. Superman might be able to get to Mars thanks to his speed, but our lovely Hulk can barely match his speed, let a meteor impede him on his way and he might get to Saturn rather than earth

 

[Hehe Moo]

Superman > Hulk

Superman can fly. He has his breath... he has super speed, he has his x-ray vision eyes, his super hearing, as well has his heat vision.

Hulk... no match. Superman's only weakness is Kryptonite... which Hulk also lacks.

 

[SirSweeps]

Raestloz I like you ... lol you seem to enjoy comics as much as I do and thus far have been the only one aside from Ace to make me rethink my position ... Raestloz v. SirSweeps Draw ... I still say it would never be that easy to get rid of hulk tho I doubt Superman could even take Red Hulk

 

[jufasi]

HULK SMASH-Enough Said

 

[Ace Gunman]

SirSweeps 1: The overall picture and outcome over your scenario is fairly spot-on. If I may make one correction though. Hulk isn't a mutant. He's mutated, yes, but not a born mutant. In Marvel continuity characters that gain their powers from and outside external element rather than being born with an X-gene are called "genetic mutates".


SirSweeps 2: Batman can beat any opponent, it's part of the benefit of being a genius, rich enough to come up with anything he needs to take someone down, master of most forms of martial arts, and the world's greatest detective. And I'm not trying to hype up Batman, those are his actual abilities. Much like Hulk, writers have wrote him cheaply.

There have been stories where Batman has had to taken down the entire Justice League. Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, you name it. He took them all down... at once. He has a contingency plan for all outcomes. It may be off-topic, but yes, Batman could beat them all because he fights with his mind rather than some sort of super power.


Raestloz: You make some good points as well. I never considered Hulk being able to jump from planet, to asteroid, to moon, etc to come back from another planet. I'm still not completely sure it could be done, but with the right objects in space combined with his adaptive evolution it might just be possible.

One thing we need to take off the table is this idea of Superman throwing Hulk into space though. That's not really a "fight", nor is that the end of the fight. Eventually Hulk would return with a vengeance. If anything that sort of tactic is purely defensive and I believe it's more akin to running away or hiding than actually facing the threat.


Hehe Moo: You inadvertently nulled your own statement. Hulk... no match. Superman's only weakness is Kryptonite... which Hulk also lacks. That's a good thing. It means Hulk doesn't have the same weakness. Actually, in point of fact Kryptonite would make the Hulk stronger. Hulk, being a radiation-based mutation actually absorbs radiation. It only makes him stronger.


Overall: The conclusion most of us have reached by now is that in a offensive fight, Hulk wins as Superman can be physically beaten (Doomsday has beaten him to death, Darkseid has beat him to a bloody pulp, etc etc) whereas the Hulk is ageless and invulnerable while in Hulk form Superman is not if an opponent is powerful enough (and Hulk never stops getting more powerful).

In a defensive fight Superman can delay the inevitable over and over again by throwing him into space, locking him in the Phantom Zone, etc, but it's not a "victory". It's also not very Superman-like to simply run away. So I don't believe we should count that sort of outcome.

Finally there's a battle of wits. This one is probably the most interesting. If both Superman and Hulk were aware of eachother's weaknesses the outcome is a draw. It could go either way. Hulk/Bruce Banner could take Superman down with kryptonite (especially being a radiation specialist).

And Superman could take Hulk down if he was in Banner form and unconscious or if he figured out that if you gas Hulk he temporarily reverts to Banner form and passes out. The gassing doesn't work long term as the reactive evolution adapts to it, and it takes a notoriously large amount to do so, but it's possible for a short period of time.

For the record, both of them could be defeated by a power inhibitor (be it in collar form, cage form, or what have you). If you could get it on them/get them in it, of course.

Conclusion: Offensive fight = Hulk. Defensive fight = Superman. Battle of wits = Draw.

 

[SirSweeps]

Correction Bruce Banner was born a mutant thanks to his fathers genetic manipulation of himself (if only meaning that he has a few things extra that regular humans don't) ... tho he has no perceived powers (and specifically to your remark about the x-gene, nowhere in marvel history has it been stated that he does not have it ... plus he has come up during during the time when Xavier used cerebro and nearly killed all mutants) ... his latent abilities are what manifested themselves as the Hulk (its been said that Bruce is believed to have a sort of Mutant Adaptive ability which is what allows Bruce in Hulk form to change height and appearance when faced with stronger adversity)... (Much like the stipulation that Captain America was also a Mutant prior to having received the super soldier serum)

 

[Ace Gunman]

Being born with abilities doesn't make you a mutant. If that was the case all of the Inhumans, Eternals, etc would be mutants. In Marvel continuity mutant applies to only those born with the x-gene, which Bruce Banner does not have. What he is is a genetic mutate.

A genetic mutate is a mutation of the genes that's not caused by the evolutionary x-gene. The x-gene is a completely natural occurrence. Being born with powers doesn't make you a mutant, it just makes you the child of a genetic mutate who passed their externally altered genes on to their offspring.

In reality any human or creature of a species that differs from the norm is a mutant. However in 616 Marvel continuity this term applies exclusively to those with the X-gene by birth. For more information on genetic mutates see here: here and here.


On your second point about how Hulk hasn't been confirmed as a mutant, well, this could apply to anyone. Daredevil, Moon Knight, Giant-Man. You name it. The absence of confirmation doesn't prove that he's a mutant.

In fact, in this case the absence of confirmation absolutely proves that he isn't. After the House of M and decimation of mutant-kind all of the mutants were catalogued. There are now somewhere between 200 and 300 mutants. 198 was the arbitrary number they assigned before they knew all of the remaining mutants "around 300" is the number the government officially came to, and several have died since then.

 

[SirSweeps]

Ace, I step down from this topic in awe of your knowledge and hope that someday in some convention we can meet and discuss all matters Marvel as you seem to be as well read (if not more) then I am ... it would be intriguing to know your out look on matters such as which was Galactus strongest Herald or how would cloak and dagger be if their powers had matured normally ...

 

[ball2012003]

superman would definitely win
the hulk is no match

 

[Ace Gunman]

Ace, I step down from this topic in awe of your knowledge and hope that someday in some convention we can meet and discuss all matters Marvel as you seem to be as well read (if not more) then I am ... it would be intriguing to know your out look on matters such as which was Galactus strongest Herald or how would cloak and dagger be if their powers had matured normally ...

High praise, as you seem equally well-read.

I love a good discussion about comic material. Hence why I've posted so frequently in this topic. Alas, if only there were more topics of this sort. Anywho, I suppose I should be steering this back on topic, you and I sort of digressed, SirSweeps.

 

[Raestloz]

Raestloz: You make some good points as well. I never considered Hulk being able to jump from planet, to asteroid, to moon, etc to come back from another planet. I'm still not completely sure it could be done, but with the right objects in space combined with his adaptive evolution it might just be possible.

One thing we need to take off the table is this idea of Superman throwing Hulk into space though. That's not really a "fight", nor is that the end of the fight. Eventually Hulk would return with a vengeance. If anything that sort of tactic is purely defensive and I believe it's more akin to running away or hiding than actually facing the threat.

Yes, that's true

However, in battle, it's not all about the last one standing, it's the last one remaining. "If you can't kill it, then remove it!" Trying to kill Modern Hulk is one heck of an imposibillity, no one can deny that fact. Better off with the second idea then

Kinda like "If you can't destroy an in-flight missile, then redirect it to somewhere else"

 

[Joey Ravn]

HULK SMASH-Enough Said

Damn, this guy knows what he's talking about!