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yuyuyup said:
ms/sony are the ones playing catch-up with motion controls

ye, its not the Wii thats not as "powerful" as xbox & ps3, it the other way around
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Well i think sadly nowadays grafik makes ~80% of a game rating and 20% the games (at least for many many ppl nowadays ...) and there are not much games with top grafik for the Wii, most games are way worse than it is possible with the wii and there are not that much shooter and mostly the controling for shooters on Wii sucks so noone is interester .....


Why the hell does everyone only want shooter and good grafik ... so stupid
 

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People just like to hate on nintendo. Last generation, the gamecube was on par(well, slightly below) with the xbox and above the ps2 in terms of graphical power, and had plenty of excellent titles but people ignored it. The problem has to do with their stategy back in the n64 days(such as super-expensive cartridges instead of dirt cheap CDs), which gave Sony a big upper hand and created this false sense of kiddy among many indiviuals. Much word of mouth later, and we get to where we are today.
 
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I like my Wii but not as much as my 360 or PS3. Yes, I'm lucky enough to own all 3. Yay.

I think I would like the Wii if it were more powerful but not purely because of graphics - because PC/360/PS3 multiplatform titles would actually exist on the Wii. If the Wii were physically capable of handling games like Fallout 3, I'm sure it would have got it. Add to that imagine how freaking amazing Galaxy would have looked (Not that it looks bad now, just... wow.)

That said, I still don't think the main problem with power, it's the lack of a harddrive that bugs people, as well as the terrible online (only terrible when in comparison with PSN/XBL, on its own, its alright.) and soon-to-be-outdated motion controls PS360 on here own at least one of the other systems or are they just saying it to defend their purchase?
 

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jazvdb said:
it was as powerful as the Xbox360/PS3?
In what way is they more powerful?

They can't load their games via USB.
They can't play their emulator ROMs off a HDD.

I say they are weak
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If were talking raw power, I don't think I'll respect it more or less. I own a PS3 and do play a few 360 games over at my cousin's and friends places. I have to say though, the reason I was always frustrated with Wii games wasn't because it was a weak system. It was the smaller issues. To me, it seems as though the Wii was playing catchup right from the beginning.

Just take a look at the Wii's history. Sure, everyone first got excited at motion controls, VC and WW, but after that, there were those nagging issues. As mentioned before, the lack of a hard drive severely limits the Wii. The introduction of SDHC compatibility did seem like a huge leap, but compare it to the storage capacity of its competitors. Games like Rock Band 2 don't even support SDHC, where it is needed the most. SDHC cards are also pretty expensive given actual storage capacity. The Wii's playing catchup with the PS3/360.

Another area is Wi-fi. Again, its still pretty amazing that it has it, but very few games go any further than knee deep into its potential. It also lacks the support of features like voice-chat. Again, they tried to catchup with Wii Speak but its really not a solution if very few companies choose to put it in their games.

Lastly there was the abandonment of its real fans. There was a long period where we all felt the Wii became a sellout. They tried to redeem themselves but it just takes so long and many of us got tired waiting for them to fix something that should never had happened.

Its really just frustrating that the Wii has taken so long to reach a small number of important features that its competitors have had right from the beginning. Even though it does allow for some really unique and innovative gameplay, its just disappointing to see that its so far behind. Thank God for homebrew, amirite?
 

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You know, it seems people seem to love the consoles they own, rather then consoles they don't, I think it's more a money thing, you payed all that money to get your hands on that box, and now you don't won't to regret getting it...
 

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@hamtotem: you did said it right. the wii did catch up because of the homebrew scene making it a more versatile console. on the other hand, there is also point where someone stated that the PS3 and 360 are trying to catch up with the wii's motion controls. i think the wii could have been a respected console if it possess from the start all of the features provided by homebrew. come to think of it, the wii's hackability made it a more interesting console...though this issue also lessen my respect to nintendo developers.
 

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razorback78 said:
@hamtotem: you did said it right. the wii did catch up because of the homebrew scene making it a more versatile console. on the other hand, there is also point where someone stated that the PS3 and 360 are trying to catch up with the wii's motion controls. i think the wii could have been a respected console if it possess from the start all of the features provided by homebrew. come to think of it, the wii's hackability made it a more interesting console...though this issue also lessen my respect to nintendo developers.
Also right. And in that respect I think that Sony and Microsoft are kinda in the same boat as Nintendo. While Sony and Microsoft may technically have better hardware, they're attempting to compete with a product that actually REQUIRES the use of motion. The point is, they can try catch up as much as they want (and good on them for doing so), but they won't be able to equal they're competitors. Just look at Nintendo. A system many thought was only slightly more powerful than a PS2 is still producing games such as Guitar Hero 5, NBA 2K10 and COD Reflex which are pretty much on par with its competitors, bar the graphics of course. Not quite there, but they're freaking good attempts.
 
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Microsoft and Sony aren't "catching up" with motion controls persay, as their respective motion controls are better in terms of functionality, noteably Sony Gem (demos have looked far more precision than motion plus).
 

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warmijwilfaain said:
Microsoft and Sony aren't "catching up" with motion controls persay, as their respective motion controls are better in terms of functionality, noteably Sony Gem (demos have looked far more precision than motion plus).
huh?
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i think the wii has been released since 2006 with the motion controls while sony gem is not yet released.
 

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The Wii would have more respect if it was an HD console and if it DIDN'T have its motion controller its ONLY controller for the majority of its games. Some people just don't like having to stand-up or jump around your living room like a moron just to play a game. I know not all games are like this, but the point still stands.

I don't think the Xbox 360 or the PS3 are playing 'catch-up' to Wii-anything. The Motion controls (or Natal) aren't going to be something thats going to be used for every game, the 360 controller and the DualShock 3, are still going to be the primary form of controlling the games. And again, when it does get implemented, it'll likely be far superior in every aspect to what the Wii controller currently has.

Thats my opinion, anyway.
 

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ZeWarrior said:
The Wii would have more respect if it was an HD console and if it DIDN'T have its motion controller its ONLY controller for the majority of its games. Some people just don't like having to stand-up or jump around your living room like a moron just to play a game. I know not all games are like this, but the point still stands.

I don't think the Xbox 360 or the PS3 are playing 'catch-up' to Wii-anything. The Motion controls (or Natal) aren't going to be something thats going to be used for every game, the 360 controller and the DualShock 3, are still going to be the primary form of controlling the games. And again, when it does get implemented, it'll likely be far superior in every aspect to what the Wii controller currently has.

Thats my opinion, anyway.
it is because you are a traditional gamer who doesn't want much motion controls. me too, i hate waggling controls for a game. i still prefer button controls instead of motion controls. but let us face it, the world bought the wii's idea for its motion control.
 

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More respect with better specs. The Wii's specs on launch date were still behind the times, I don't know why they did this, and I'm sure there is a reason. Wii needs power, that is the main problem with it...look at Modern Warfare Reflex
 

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VashTS said:
More respect with better specs. The Wii's specs on launch date were still behind the times, I don't know why they did this, and I'm sure there is a reason. Wii needs power, that is the main problem with it...look at Modern Warfare Reflex

Modern Warfare: Reflex looked good for a dumbed down port. Not nearly as good as its HD brothers, but not horribly ugly like some other ports and Wii games.

The Wii only doesn't get respect from fanboys who won't respect anything that isn't rubber stamped with a name on it. The Wii is outselling its console competitors at almost a 2:1 rate. And it did revolutionize gaming, something that hasn't been seen in years. Do you seriously think that the Xbox 720 and the PS4 are going to essentially just be prettier Xbox 360's and PS3's? Of course not. EVERYTHING next generation is going to be about the casual crowd. Nintendo demonstrated on how to get casual gamers, now Sony and Microsoft are going to try next generation. I mean, look at the PS3. Most every commercial is about playing with the family. Bluray DVD's, LittleBigPlanet, games so pretty that people can watch them like movies. There's not many commercials that say "YEAH THE PS3 HAS THE MOST HARDCORE SHOOTERS YEAH GO BLOW SOME SHIT UP YEAH!"

People with common sense can respect good Wii games like MadWorld, No More Heroes, Super Mario Galaxy, etc. And everyone owes a shred of respect to Nintendo for making gaming what it is today.

Anyway, on the topic, do I think the Wii would be different from what it is today if it was prettier? No, it wouldn't. Shovelware isn't solely based on the low specs the Wii has, it's based on who it can reach. PS3 owners won't buy a shitty yoga game because they're fifteen year old kids who eat Doritos and play Call of Duty. That family who owns the Wii, who has the mother who likes yoga, will be gullible enough to pick up that shovelware game because they think it'll be as good as a yoga video. And that same family will be gullible enough to buy all those shitty girly games as well. The most I'd think is that third party support would be better. Instead of mutli-console games being in the boy's club of PS3/360, it would be slightly more universal. I mean, if the Wii could support more powerful engines, companies wouldn't even need to invest much money into a Wii version of a game. Just maybe add some waggle controls. It definitely wouldn't require the time and money needed for ports like Call of Duty 4 and 5.
 

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Guild McCommunist said:
VashTS said:
More respect with better specs. The Wii's specs on launch date were still behind the times, I don't know why they did this, and I'm sure there is a reason. Wii needs power, that is the main problem with it...look at Modern Warfare Reflex

Modern Warfare: Reflex looked good for a dumbed down port. Not nearly as good as its HD brothers, but not horribly ugly like some other ports and Wii games.

The Wii only doesn't get respect from fanboys who won't respect anything that isn't rubber stamped with a name on it. The Wii is outselling its console competitors at almost a 2:1 rate. And it did revolutionize gaming, something that hasn't been seen in years. Do you seriously think that the Xbox 720 and the PS4 are going to essentially just be prettier Xbox 360's and PS3's? Of course not. EVERYTHING next generation is going to be about the casual crowd. Nintendo demonstrated on how to get casual gamers, now Sony and Microsoft are going to try next generation. I mean, look at the PS3. Most every commercial is about playing with the family. Bluray DVD's, LittleBigPlanet, games so pretty that people can watch them like movies. There's not many commercials that say "YEAH THE PS3 HAS THE MOST HARDCORE SHOOTERS YEAH GO BLOW SOME SHIT UP YEAH!"

People with common sense can respect good Wii games like MadWorld, No More Heroes, Super Mario Galaxy, etc. And everyone owes a shred of respect to Nintendo for making gaming what it is today.

Anyway, on the topic, do I think the Wii would be different from what it is today if it was prettier? No, it wouldn't. Shovelware isn't solely based on the low specs the Wii has, it's based on who it can reach. PS3 owners won't buy a shitty yoga game because they're fifteen year old kids who eat Doritos and play Call of Duty. That family who owns the Wii, who has the mother who likes yoga, will be gullible enough to pick up that shovelware game because they think it'll be as good as a yoga video. And that same family will be gullible enough to buy all those shitty girly games as well. The most I'd think is that third party support would be better. Instead of mutli-console games being in the boy's club of PS3/360, it would be slightly more universal. I mean, if the Wii could support more powerful engines, companies wouldn't even need to invest much money into a Wii version of a game. Just maybe add some waggle controls. It definitely wouldn't require the time and money needed for ports like Call of Duty 4 and 5.

QFT!

anyway, just look at the recent hardware sales for the month of november.
Hardware:
Nintendo DS – 1.70M
Wii – 1.26M
Xbox 360 – 819.5K
PlayStation 3 – 710.4K
PSP – 293.9K
PlayStation 2 – 203.1K

im sure ps3 and xbox wants to be in the top spot. thats why sony and MS is introducing "motion controls" to their games.

BUT the problem now with nintendo is the games they release. many wii owners i know just own wii sports, mario kart, wii sports resort, wii play or some carnival based games. then they stop there. now they just open their wiis when there is a party or when they are bored. Those "hardcore" wii gamers here or i know just use usbloaders they dont actually buy games.

so why are people complaining that there are tons of shovelware for the wii compared to the "hardcore" games? its the shovelware that sells! look at the games UBISOFT are releasing for the wii. Games like DEAD SPACE and MURAMASA is considered a FLOP when it comes to sales.
its the casuals that buys the game, "hardcore" gamers just know how to "softmod".



so to your question: How much more respect would the Wii have if....it was as powerful as the Xbox360/PS3?

it will be still the same as the respect i have for wii now. why?
1. its the cheapest current gen console even cheaper than PSP in some stores.
2. i can play some games thats also in xbox 360 and ps3
3. its the only current console that has 5 yes FIVE RESIDENT EVIL GAMES you can now play.
4. you can enjoy the same experience in rockband, guitar hero and DDR just like xbox/ps3 owners do.
5. the games are bandwidth friendly compared to xbox 360
6. a 500gb drive + wii = total games enjoyment.
7. NO 3RL
8. no YLOD
9. i can play classic games or games that i missed or didnt play before.
10. it has MARIO!
 

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