How long can humans survive with out eating and drinking

[Creamu]

They aren't going to do anything stupid, it's all talk and flexing trying to increase their power. They won't do anything that will massively effect that.

Guess who is not going to have a secret hideout and a bucket of tallow.

 

[Creamu]

A person can live without food, and at the same time feel normal, for about 4 days, but it seems to me that without water, after 2-4 days, the body will cease to function normally.

What happens after day 4?

 

[FAST6191]

This is a very solid post. I have put this in my survival protocols. What is the worst case scenario of things developing in the next ten years in your estimation?

Depends where you are in the world.

Your flag says Brazil which changes a few things compared to US, Canada, UK, Europe, Eastern Europe, Russia, Asia, various parts of Africa and the like.

Brazil is a fairly modern economy but not quite yet in service economy and its industry is shakey. Food is made there in bulk (it is 7th in the world, which is very large compared to GDP) but there is the free market problem -- if the local farmers can sell to Americans or Europeans (and I have seen products from there in the UK) and make more than selling locally then local supplies might be lacking. Or if you prefer right now some were noting the Ukraine and Russia are major wheat exporters, and not likely to be exporting much for a while, however they mostly service the third world rather than Europe as a whole... which works great until all the middle eastern, African and whatever countries with very recent memories of the Arab spring go looking elsewhere to buy up some stuff even if it is pricey -- society is three meals away from revolution and all that. Speaking of Russia and Ukraine they combined also produce a lot of fertiliser (something you can't make easily and have to dig up, phosphorous mines, the P in NPK, being rare) and Brazil imports a lot. If supplies get low, which might happen if all the rich countries outbid things, then that could be interesting.

That also says nothing of a virus or whatever damaging production of food -- plenty have troubled beef/cows, pork/pigs (China had been fighting it for a while before this human lark), wheat, chickens, cucumbers and such over the last however long. Is it really Brazil if there is no Brazillian bbq?

Politically I don't care to guess the next 10 minutes in Brazil, never mind 10 years, and that is without wondering what goes for the immediate neighbours that might flood the system with refugees and escapees when they finally go pop.
Corruption is an art form it seems in Brazil (how many ex presidents have gone down for it, even if annulled under dubious circumstances?), and while it is maybe not as bad as it could be then it does act as a drag on things.
Between crime syndicates, army/police of questionable merit, handful of political types in the jungle somewhere waiting to go all partizan* with the aid of some students... there is potential for fun. At the same time it could be business as usual for the same timeframe, might even improve.
*it is a bit of a meme really but at the same time a lot of different political parties have been in power in the last 20 years? I am then less worried about anything there kicking off than I am about some states in the US. That said a few more political assassinations ( https://insightcrime.org/news/analysis/political-assassinations-doubled-in-brazil/ ) in which someone gets the wrong person and maybe sentiment will shift.

 

[Creamu]

Depends where you are in the world.

Your flag says Brazil which changes a few things compared to US, Canada, UK, Europe, Eastern Europe, Russia, Asia, various parts of Africa and the like.

Brazil is a fairly modern economy but not quite yet in service economy and its industry is shakey. Food is made there in bulk (it is 7th in the world, which is very large compared to GDP) but there is the free market problem -- if the local farmers can sell to Americans or Europeans (and I have seen products from there in the UK) and make more than selling locally then local supplies might be lacking. Or if you prefer right now some were noting the Ukraine and Russia are major wheat exporters, and not likely to be exporting much for a while, however they mostly service the third world rather than Europe as a whole... which works great until all the middle eastern, African and whatever countries with very recent memories of the Arab spring go looking elsewhere to buy up some stuff even if it is pricey -- society is three meals away from revolution and all that. Speaking of Russia and Ukraine they combined also produce a lot of fertiliser (something you can't make easily and have to dig up, phosphorous mines, the P in NPK, being rare) and Brazil imports a lot. If supplies get low, which might happen if all the rich countries outbid things, then that could be interesting.

That also says nothing of a virus or whatever damaging production of food -- plenty have troubled beef/cows, pork/pigs (China had been fighting it for a while before this human lark), wheat, chickens, cucumbers and such over the last however long. Is it really Brazil if there is no Brazillian bbq?

Politically I don't care to guess the next 10 minutes in Brazil, never mind 10 years, and that is without wondering what goes for the immediate neighbours that might flood the system with refugees and escapees when they finally go pop.
Corruption is an art form it seems in Brazil (how many ex presidents have gone down for it, even if annulled under dubious circumstances?), and while it is maybe not as bad as it could be then it does act as a drag on things.
Between crime syndicates, army/police of questionable merit, handful of political types in the jungle somewhere waiting to go all partizan* with the aid of some students... there is potential for fun. At the same time it could be business as usual for the same timeframe, might even improve.
*it is a bit of a meme really but at the same time a lot of different political parties have been in power in the last 20 years? I am then less worried about anything there kicking off than I am about some states in the US. That said a few more political assassinations ( https://insightcrime.org/news/analysis/political-assassinations-doubled-in-brazil/ ) in which someone gets the wrong person and maybe sentiment will shift.

Interesting. Who is in your view going to have the hardest time worldwide in the coming years?

 

[hippy dave]

Fresh (really fresh) Milk every Day....
Then you need no Water or Food for Weeks...


...says a Fairy Tale Story from my Childhood....but honestly..I would believe it.

Works well until whichever cow/cat/rat you're suckling really-fresh milk from stops producing it because it's not receiving its own supply of food/water.

 

[Marc_LFD]

If you don't mind me asking, how do you expect a nuclear strike in Brazil (judging from your flag) ? I don't think Russia, USA, or any other nuclear powers have their missiles aimed at Brazil.

Brazil has enough trouble as it is with the favelas.

 

[FAST6191]

Interesting. Who is in your view going to have the hardest time worldwide in the coming years?

There are always black swan events to consider. Ignoring those though

We will probably see a financial crash in the near term
https://www.ccn.com/u-s-stocks-havent-been-this-overvalued-since-the-dot-com-bubble/
https://www.efginternational.com/uk/insights/2022/Yield-curve-inversion.html
There are many more indicators.

In terms of general problems for the future

A lot of places have a lot of problems, including ones not necessarily considered as closely as they ought to be or be as widely known.

2000 years ago your civilisation was dictated by water. 2000 years later it will be again -- China has some major problems (see pollution and general lack, to the point they are doing a crazy plan to pipe it across half the country), the US has some horrendous ones set to pop (the giant aquifer, underground lake if you want to think of it that way, that does much of the southern US and California is... critically low and refill times are in the thousands of years. Maybe they will get by or people will stop growing food in the desert (California does a lot of food for reasons known only to them).
https://www.usgs.gov/special-topics/water-science-school/science/groundwater-decline-and-depletion
India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, the orient, a good chunk of a lot of Africa... all have their own concerns here (rising levels, sinking, lack of water to feed the cities)

Population crisis.
It takes 2.1-2.3 births per woman to sustain the population (not grow, sustain) and rates are some 1.? in much of the developed world. The 0.1-0.3 thing is to account for car crashes, uggos and gays.
This means populations will age. Most of those have not saved properly for retirement so will be reverse mortgaging things (more on that later) and more and money will go to supporting the aged (not exactly a plan for growth).
Governments will probably try importing people from elsewhere, which works both to destabilise your own country (you can put all the "multiculturalism is our strength" adverts you like out but there is a limit on how many you can bring in without them forming enclaves) and others you pull from -- you are going to pull in all the smartest and hardest working people first (Joe Random from deepest, darkest Africa is not much good, Joe Random's brother that happens to be a medic/engineer/tradesman is a different matter entirely) and that means the original country lacks those that are likely to improve things.
https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/total-fertility-rate/country-comparison
Anyway lack of people paying in means the pension schemes which were designed in the 1950s and 1960s when that number was far higher and people lived less on average after retirement... yeah your government pension is barely worth the effort. Also all those people from the 50s and 60s and 70s (see also baby boomers) are retiring about now (2020-65 = what?).

Housing.
Most of the world is waiting for China's housing market to finish imploding (and it will, or China will spend all it has to prop it up and it will still go pop) as it was a known scam for years and the first real cracks happened late last year/earlier this year.
The US is not outside concern either. There is both a lack of it (look around and see what 4.5x annual salary, the high end for a mortgage. https://www.fool.com/the-ascent/research/average-house-price-state/ https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/pay-salary/average-salary-in-us ) and what is there is cheap junk that is going to start falling over before long, and is built in an incredibly wasteful way (one that is also psychologically awful but we can probably ignore that for a bit) -- average terraced house can afford a smaller run of sewer pipe, electricals and more, which has a lifetime regardless, compared to the US style "single family home" model of everybody has a quasi mansion in a pleasing arrangement all nicely apart and a little HOA to make everybody's life a nightmare for having grass too long.

Related to housing is infrastructure. Roads, bridges, electricity. It has been ill maintained/replaced for a while now and the bill for that might well come basically all at once (mainly as it was built all at once).

Actually where I said psychologically awful we probably get to bring that back in.
Nobody knows their neighbours (awful house design remember), their work won't afford to buy a house, raise some kids, retire or the like, not that you probably will be able to find a wife even if you wanted (age of marriage is way up, rate of marriage way way down in general rates of virginity/sexual encounters for most of the population way down, divorce rate is maybe 50% for first marriage with it only going up for later ones, happiness in marriage is not much better and that is before the pill and dating apps* are taken into account).
You give your young male population no hope of a future, no community, nobody to love... stuff gets very exciting then, and has done throughout history (pick a big war in history, go back 5-10 years and see what goes there). Your best hope is the obesity epidemic (which is also costly on healthcare) means they don't fight so good ( https://www.cdc.gov/physicalactivity/downloads/unfit-to-serve.pdf ) or can be bought off with burgers, that or you get your deaths of despair numbers up beyond the rookie numbers they are at now ( https://www.brookings.edu/blog/broo...dle-age-at-faster-rates-than-minority-groups/ ).

*distance travelled to find a wife notable increased considerably with the advent of a decent bicycle ( https://www.theguardian.com/environ...pools-secret-history-of-19th-century-cyclists ). Now think what goes when it is a swipe and a cheap plane flight...

Pick somewhere with stable weather, with stable politics, lacking fat people, with a stable population, with a food surplus and not much need for fertiliser import, and a part of it that won't vanish under rising sea levels... I don't know there is such a place.

As much as I adore doom and gloom future predictions (and I really do -- I very much finding myself in the content to watch the world burn camp) then I think I will go with videos


and a recommendation for that channel in general. Has some good stuff there if you did want to go further.

If you want more of a primer on China then
for a series

choice video to join it

and another for a more financial overview

 

[Creamu]

There are always black swan events to consider. Ignoring those though

We will probably see a financial crash in the near term
https://www.ccn.com/u-s-stocks-havent-been-this-overvalued-since-the-dot-com-bubble/
https://www.efginternational.com/uk/insights/2022/Yield-curve-inversion.html
There are many more indicators.

In terms of general problems for the future

A lot of places have a lot of problems, including ones not necessarily considered as closely as they ought to be or be as widely known.

2000 years ago your civilisation was dictated by water. 2000 years later it will be again -- China has some major problems (see pollution and general lack, to the point they are doing a crazy plan to pipe it across half the country), the US has some horrendous ones set to pop (the giant aquifer, underground lake if you want to think of it that way, that does much of the southern US and California is... critically low and refill times are in the thousands of years. Maybe they will get by or people will stop growing food in the desert (California does a lot of food for reasons known only to them).
https://www.usgs.gov/special-topics/water-science-school/science/groundwater-decline-and-depletion
India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, the orient, a good chunk of a lot of Africa... all have their own concerns here (rising levels, sinking, lack of water to feed the cities)

Population crisis.
It takes 2.1-2.3 births per woman to sustain the population (not grow, sustain) and rates are some 1.? in much of the developed world. The 0.1-0.3 thing is to account for car crashes, uggos and gays.
This means populations will age. Most of those have not saved properly for retirement so will be reverse mortgaging things (more on that later) and more and money will go to supporting the aged (not exactly a plan for growth).
Governments will probably try importing people from elsewhere, which works both to destabilise your own country (you can put all the "multiculturalism is our strength" adverts you like out but there is a limit on how many you can bring in without them forming enclaves) and others you pull from -- you are going to pull in all the smartest and hardest working people first (Joe Random from deepest, darkest Africa is not much good, Joe Random's brother that happens to be a medic/engineer/tradesman is a different matter entirely) and that means the original country lacks those that are likely to improve things.
https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/total-fertility-rate/country-comparison
Anyway lack of people paying in means the pension schemes which were designed in the 1950s and 1960s when that number was far higher and people lived less on average after retirement... yeah your government pension is barely worth the effort. Also all those people from the 50s and 60s and 70s (see also baby boomers) are retiring about now (2020-65 = what?).

Housing.
Most of the world is waiting for China's housing market to finish imploding (and it will, or China will spend all it has to prop it up and it will still go pop) as it was a known scam for years and the first real cracks happened late last year/earlier this year.
The US is not outside concern either. There is both a lack of it (look around and see what 4.5x annual salary, the high end for a mortgage. https://www.fool.com/the-ascent/research/average-house-price-state/ https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/pay-salary/average-salary-in-us ) and what is there is cheap junk that is going to start falling over before long, and is built in an incredibly wasteful way (one that is also psychologically awful but we can probably ignore that for a bit) -- average terraced house can afford a smaller run of sewer pipe, electricals and more, which has a lifetime regardless, compared to the US style "single family home" model of everybody has a quasi mansion in a pleasing arrangement all nicely apart and a little HOA to make everybody's life a nightmare for having grass too long.

Related to housing is infrastructure. Roads, bridges, electricity. It has been ill maintained/replaced for a while now and the bill for that might well come basically all at once (mainly as it was built all at once).

Actually where I said psychologically awful we probably get to bring that back in.
Nobody knows their neighbours (awful house design remember), their work won't afford to buy a house, raise some kids, retire or the like, not that you probably will be able to find a wife even if you wanted (age of marriage is way up, rate of marriage way way down in general rates of virginity/sexual encounters for most of the population way down, divorce rate is maybe 50% for first marriage with it only going up for later ones, happiness in marriage is not much better and that is before the pill and dating apps* are taken into account).
You give your young male population no hope of a future, no community, nobody to love... stuff gets very exciting then, and has done throughout history (pick a big war in history, go back 5-10 years and see what goes there). Your best hope is the obesity epidemic (which is also costly on healthcare) means they don't fight so good ( https://www.cdc.gov/physicalactivity/downloads/unfit-to-serve.pdf ) or can be bought off with burgers, that or you get your deaths of despair numbers up beyond the rookie numbers they are at now ( https://www.brookings.edu/blog/broo...dle-age-at-faster-rates-than-minority-groups/ ).

*distance travelled to find a wife notable increased considerably with the advent of a decent bicycle ( https://www.theguardian.com/environ...pools-secret-history-of-19th-century-cyclists ). Now think what goes when it is a swipe and a cheap plane flight...

Pick somewhere with stable weather, with stable politics, lacking fat people, with a stable population, with a food surplus and not much need for fertiliser import, and a part of it that won't vanish under rising sea levels... I don't know there is such a place.

As much as I adore doom and gloom future predictions (and I really do -- I very much finding myself in the content to watch the world burn camp) then I think I will go with videos


and a recommendation for that channel in general. Has some good stuff there if you did want to go further.

If you want more of a primer on China then
for a series

choice video to join it

and another for a more financial overview

Thank you for this detailed overview of the current signs of the impending doom to come. I have ancestors in europe. Should I go there?

Is my plan to collect the best videogames, music and books civilisation has brought to the world and hide in my secret hideout with a bucket of tallow sound?

 

[smf]

We will probably see a financial crash in the near term

I'd say that traditionally, if you can predict a financial crash then it is unlikely to happen.

 

[Creamu]

At the end of rome there was Jesus and that was followed by the dark age. Will another messionic figure appear soon to usher in the age of eternal abyss?

 

[SAIYAN48]

Jesus showed up during the reign of the 2nd emperor, not the end.

 

[Creamu]

Jesus showed up during the reign of the 2nd emperor, not the end.

It was the beginning of the end.

 

[Purple_Heart]

for me it will be less....Diabetes sucks

 

[Creamu]

for me it will be less....Diabetes sucks

Maybe you can cure insulin resistance by not triggering insulin

 

[Purple_Heart]

eh....thats not how it works

 

[Purple_Heart]

i had a stemmcell transplantation....for 2 illnesses...one is gone and diabetes will take up to 4-5 years.......so in 3-4 years i will be gotten rid of it

 

[Creamu]

i had a stemmcell transplantation....for 2 illnesses...one is gone and diabetes will take up to 4-5 years.......so in 3-4 years i will be gotten rid of it

I see. Good to hear that you will eventually overcome the diabetes. Diabetes is when the pancreas stops producing enough insulin, as a consquence of overproducing and fatiguing, because the cells developed resistance signalling to the pancreas that they are not receiving any insulin, right?

 

[Purple_Heart]

yes, in my case my pancreas didnt worked properly and didnt produce insulin at all (almost nothing)

 

[smf]

Diabetes is when the pancreas stops producing enough insulin, as a consquence of overproducing and fatiguing, because the cells developed resistance signalling to the pancreas that they are not receiving any insulin, right?

You seem to have combined type 1 & type 2 diabetes.

 

[Creamu]

yes, in my case my pancreas didnt worked properly and didnt produce insulin at all (almost nothing)

There is this dr berg guy on youtube he believes diabetes can be cured without medcin