Question How high is the ban risk for nand restoring?

Discussion in 'Switch - Exploits, Custom Firmwares & Soft Mods' started by milomc123, Aug 9, 2018.

  1. Mr. Wizard

    Mr. Wizard Ending the spread of bullshit one thread at a time

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    I would have to say your best bet is not do anything if you don't want to be banned. It's a game of "trying not to leave a footprint vs AI backed bloodhounds and algoritms" and it's a game everyone will eventually lose. So take a pill, relax, play some games and accept your eventual ban.

    ^^^^ this.

    They can do pretty much anything they want. The Horizon firmware is "licensed" to you, you do not own it. If you don't like it you can kiss Reggie's ass stop using it. All you own is the hardware. And even though you own it, if you sign this agreement, Nintendo can brick it and render it useless at their discretion if used in an unauthorized manner. And they are not liable for anything that happens due to your unauthorized actions.
    And if you think you're safe in the EU think again.
    Switch EULA
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  2. godreborn

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    I've got a question about repairs from Nintendo. if they were to send you a refurbished unit back, would they transfer all content, accounts, and settings to the new unit?
     
  3. Mr. Wizard

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    From what I've read in the past on here about a year ago, they absolutely do transfer your user stuff to the refurb unit.
     
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  4. Canna

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    They wiped mine but this is uk...
    Reckon because of data protection or something.

    Best bet just ask them when you send for repair
     
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  5. BloodRose

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    And what do you do about save data?
     
  6. Canna

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    i was thinking about this, no point having it back after a clean nand restore
    as you have to run some kind of home brew or hactoolor checkpoint and probably get detected


    But i suppose if you make a backup of your naughty nand before you go back to your clean nand. once your done in clean go back to your naughty nand with the save files..

    But this is hassle,
    Im not sure whats gonna happen but i made a backup of the clean nand when it come back from repair after they repaired it. im currently on a non clean nand and will try to go back to my clean if i require to play legit..

    When i do this i will let everyone know if im banned but i highly doubt that.
     
  7. Jalink9406

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    You could backup your "dirty nand" saves with Checkpoint BEFORE restoring "clean nand" and if you want to go back to dirty nand with old saves just restore them with Checkpoint after going offline again. I think this way would be much quicker than backing up/restoring "dirty nand" each time just to preserve saves. Also the less writings to nand the better.
     
  8. godreborn

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    it sounds like a lot of work not to get banned. I haven't hacked my system yet, been reading a lot though. I feel like one slip up and poof banned. that's one reason I've been waiting for things to progress a little more before deciding. :)
     
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  9. Ericthegreat

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    RCM could be activated on accident, I really doubt they would ban based on this.
     
  10. Pachee

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    1 - Nintendo is not going to be deliberately bricking devices just because you broke their terms of service (no track of it/bad PR/can get sued for intentional damages). But if you do software modifications Nintendo wasn't expecting (nor they should), it is your responsibility to check for incompatibilities between updates.
    2 - Playing with homebrew, going online and sending Nintendo logs, restoring Nand with different/older logs will likely get you banned from online since they can check the data, and it is their right to protect the service from tampering (duh :P).

    It is actually pretty easy to not be banned: Take a full backup of your clean nand, do all your hacking and homebrew offline (delete all networks if you are paranoid). Don't update your hacked nand unless you know how to do it without burning efuses.
     
  11. Kubas_inko

    Kubas_inko "Something funny goes here."

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    Ban, not brick.
     
  12. hipmp5

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    Well I'm gonna try to do 1 backup, turn off, boot RCM and do another backup and then compare the checksum of both of them, if it was changed well you are right.
     
  13. Kubas_inko

    Kubas_inko "Something funny goes here."

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    I just trust them until someone proves it wrong with proper explanation.
    Warning: Spoilers inside!
     
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  14. hipmp5

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    @Kubas_inko If it was SciresM, Naehrwert or Reisyukaku saying that i would believe, Raj doesn't know a lot of internal stuff of the switch and by any means with what i said i will prove if it's safe ATM (5.1 firmware) to run RCM without any problems by checking if any of the boot partitions or raw nand had been changed.
     
  15. Kubas_inko

    Kubas_inko "Something funny goes here."

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    I never said it isn't safe. I just said it is detectable.
     
  16. Zap Rowsdower

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    I wouldn't be using a stated hypothetical as an argument, especially when what he's saying there is that it's currently undetectable.
     
  17. hipmp5

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    My English must be really bad for you to understand the opposite of what i am saying xD
    I'm gonna repeat: latter today i will see if ATM is safe or not to run RCM or if something is changed within the NAND or the boot partitions between every RCM boot, if nothing changes without boot switch Horizon ofc well i guess it proves at least RCM don't messes with the memory between every RCM boot unless there is a flag that was changed only once on the first RCM boot.
     
  18. Kubas_inko

    Kubas_inko "Something funny goes here."

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    If it is just a float value, which changes on boot, you can't test it (unless you can do RAW NAND backup from horizon).
     
  19. hipmp5

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    Well you are right about this but if that happened well everyone that used RCM had been banned/flaged by Nintendo now.
     
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  20. Kubas_inko

    Kubas_inko "Something funny goes here."

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    Once again.
    I am not saying that Nintendo is banning or even detecting it. It is totaly safe to do it. I am just saying that it is detecable if nintendo wants to detect it.