1. Zetman

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    You can preorder It from Gamestop.it
     
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    And how is the Switch supposed to communicate with the components if Nintendo doesn't release the necessary specs?
     
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    No Hori product I've touched has been very good. I have experience with their Switch game cases (which are way too tight around the game cards), and a couple of their controllers. I got the Hori Battle Pad (Pikachu one) for Smash 4 when that came out and it's not good. Sticks regularly reverse input, and it feels like it's made out of extremely cheap cheap plastic, the lack of rumble on that one was forgivable because it was a Wii classic controller in a GameCube layout. I've tried their wired Switch controller too, which also felt cheap, and should not lack rumble. It makes sense for it to lack gyro, but I still don't like it because it really didn't have to be a wired controller. There are other third party controllers for similar prices that are wireless with gyro and rumble.

    Of course, I get that the wired Horipad is very cheap, but there are really good wireless controllers on Amazon, eBay, and AliExpress that only lack NFC and HD Rumble (having normal rumble instead).
    That's not how it works. Otherwise PS4 controllers paired to the Switch with an adapter wouldn't support gyro or rumble but they do, nor would unlicensed third party controllers have these functions. The reason for Hori's crap controllers not including features is because they're trying to cut costs. Yet other controller manufacturers can deliver a product for the same or cheaper that have the missing features. The only feature that would actually require Nintendo to supply a component would be HD rumble.

    The controllers register on the Switch. The Switch tells the controllers to rumble because they have vibration motors. They rumble. A game with gyro controls tries to use gyroscopic aiming. It'll work if the controller has a gyroscope. There's no special thing Nintendo has to release. The controllers don't need special Nintendo released drivers or hardware to be able to work with the Switch.
    If Nintendo could easily brick or black list controllers they would already be doing it. Hori isn't including a bunch of features to reduce cost. Both gyroscopic controls and vibration aren't owned by Nintendo. Neither is the concept of an NFC reader, it's in virtually every recent smartphone. Officially licensed controller manufacturers aren't including features because it saves money. If Hori, Power A, and 8Bitdo (whose controllers already have gyro and rumble, just no HD rumble or NFC) are signing contracts that prevent them from putting in basic components they're fools.

    Nintendo either can't block these unauthorized third party devices, or they won't because they're afraid of a lawsuit.
     
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    Why would you need an adapter to connect a PS4 controller if it would just work? The adapter is translating whatever protocol Nintendo uses to the one Sony is using. And the manufacturer of said adapter is very likely not officially licensed, so they aren't asking Nintendo or Sony for permission to do so and of course also don't get any official documentation from either company, they either reverse-engineer it themselves or get it from other sources.

    There is no industry standard for the way a console is communicating with its controller. They may use industry-standard components and technologies, but the way the two talk to each other is still proprietary and for that you either need to have official documentation/drivers or you need to reverse-engineer it. Reverse-engineering isn't illegal, so of course Nintendo can't do anything against it, but they likely won't grant a license to said company and advertise their hardware as officially supported.

    As far as I can see the 8BitDo controllers aren't officially licensed either. Neither Nintendo nor 8BitDo is advertising them as such. 3rd party controllers work because they trick the system into thinking that the connected controller is an official Joy-Con or Pro Controller and they're using the exact same language an official controller would use. Nintendo would absolutely be in their right to block any kind of unlicensed hardware though or at least have no obligation to make sure that it still works after a firmware update. If they don't they either just don't care enough or can't.
     
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  5. boombox

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    I love my Hori split pads for long, portable gaming sessions. They're a lot comfier than the joycons and there's no drift either. really light-weight and comfortable to hold. I haven't actually played with them out and about though, just at home (they're pretty big to carry, so you'd need a big holder).
     
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    from what i remenber they dont have rumble or gyro correct? that is what is stopping me from buying them, specialy the no rumble part.
     
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    Hmm these other random split pads seem interesting. It looks like they are sold by a bunch of different companies including Vivefox, Penjoy, Geemee, Kinvoca, Esywen, and probably a couple others. Has anybody actually tried them?
     
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    No but SpawnWave on youtube did a mini review, you can check it out, it was like 2-3 days ago.
     
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    Yes, nothing but regular old controllers (other than the macro/turbo function).
    It's a pity for most users, but I freaking hate rumble and all the other useless stuff, so it's a win-win for me.
     
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    rumble is fine, im used to have it since the n64 days so for me rumble is a necessity xD
     
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    True, but the connection is what the obstacle may be. It’s not traditional Bluetooth and probably proprietary. Otherwise, we’d have Bluetooth audio. Much like the wii Bluetooth. There are different stacks that Bluetooth uses to connect.
     
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