Homeless life vs jail life

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In recent years I've noticed an increasing number of people on the streets in Melbourne, Australia (or I just became more observant, I don't have any statistics). It seems pretty rough sleeping outside in winter with strangers walking by. During the day some people walk around begging for money while others sit there with a collection bowl in front of them. They only own a sign, a collection bowl, some blankets, some clothes and sometimes a dog. Many of them don't look healthy judging by the tone of their skin. I've often said they should commit some minor crime like shoplifting and go to jail where they have shelter and access to food, clothes and healthcare. The prison has a library and offers services to help you find employment once you're released. Malcom X entered jail as a semi-literate piece of shit, by the time he was released he was quite well educated. But my opinion is quite uninformed; I've never been homeless or in jail. I'm quite curious to know what other people have to say about this.
 
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Depends. Jail can be more "comfy", in that you are indoors and protected from weather conditions. Being in jail or being homeless still subjects you to violence, (rape) maybe, drug use, fighting...pretty much the same
 
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Your "jail time solution" here has a few flaws. One of the major one's here, you're not considering some of the finer details on homelessness, jail time, and how these kinds of things work.

Firstly, an estimated 30-40% of all homeless people are homeless as a result of substance abuse (which is a general statistic in most "first world countries"), be it drugs or alcohol or both. I imagine a lot of the "sick" people you see on the streets are likely "sickly looking" not because of some underlying medical condition that they desperately want fixed (although that is indeed another one of the "top" reasons why a person may end up homeless, at least here in the US where a minor health problem could put you years in debt :glare:), it's more likely they look that way as a result of years and years of substance abuse. Your solution of jail time already fails at this point: Substance abusers are extremely unlikely to simply decide to "stop abusing" on their own and get clean and better their lives. They often have the mentality of "Why should I give up my precious, precious drug fix for something dumb like a roof, or a bed?! Those things don't make me feel as good as alcohericraPCP and I already have this cardboard house and a couple blankets!".

Then you have to consider whether jail time is actually an improvement vs general homelessness. When you're homeless, you still have freedom to do what you want, when you want, where you want. Sure, you might sleep under a stack of cardboard or something and have to beg people for basic sustenance, but a lot of people consider that better than facing jail time. When you're in jail, you'll face discrimination/abuse (from virtually everyone), violence, drug abuse, sexual abuse, etc etc. You also vastly overestimate the healthcare system in prisons. Half the time, if you have a general mental condition that was the cause of (or result of) your homelessness, you won't be receiving the kind of care you need to live a stable lifestyle. If anything, prison time is more likely to be worse for someone with a mental condition than simply living on the street.

Then you have to consider what a "minor crime" sentence actually looks like. Your example of shoplifting, for example, most often results in a fine rather than substantial jail time depending on the value of items stolen. And seeing how the average homeless person isn't exactly going to be a mastermind thief capable of stealing thousands of dollars worth of items, this would then require a more serious crime to be committed in order to get a substantial enough sentence to put you in a "better place".

There's also the additional problems jail time will have for someone who's homeless. As soon as you commit that crime, acquire a record of any kind, and "do your time", your chance of viable employment decreases drastically. Businesses that hire people with criminal records are often minimum wage, require skills that a homeless person may not have, or might lose during their prison sentence, and generally aren't stable enough for someone who's homeless to deal with.

And then you just straight up ignored the fact that those services that cater to prior criminals regarding a "better lifestyle" also generally apply for the homeless as well. Why would you commit a crime, lose basic freedoms and months/years of your life, drastically reduce your chance of employment, and waste tax payer money when you could've just, y'know, hopped on over to an unemployment office and find a way out instead? Or head to a local public library to get your fill of "education"? Or go to the many homeless shelters available for a roof over your head? Or look for help from the hundreds and thousands of charity organizations that were specifically created to help the homeless "get out"?

tl;dr going to prison if you're homeless is the opposite of a solution.
 

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In recent years I've noticed an increasing number of people on the streets in Melbourne (or I just became more observant, I don't have any statistics). It seems pretty rough sleeping outside in winter with strangers walking by. During the day some people walk around begging for money while others sit there with a collection bowl in front of them. They only own a sign, a collection bowl, some blankets, some clothes and sometimes a dog. Many of them don't look healthy judging by the tone of their skin. I've often said they should commit some minor crime like shoplifting and go to jail where they have shelter and access to food, clothes and healthcare. The prison has a library and offers services to help you find employment once you're released. Malcom X entered jail as a semi-literate piece of shit, by the time he was released he was quite well educated. But my opinion is quite uninformed; I've never been homeless or in jail. I'm quite curious to know what other people have to say about this.

I'm not familiar with the prison system in Australia, but in the US rape is used as de facto punishment for the imprisoned. For that fact alone I'd rather be on the streets.
On the other hand though, the homeless have extremely limited access to healthcare while prisoners receive healthcare (albeit shitty).

A lot of the homeless people I know don't like to go to shelters because they are more at risk of having their stuff stolen there than they are by the cops. There are also issues with bed bugs and lice in the shelters where I live.

Ultimately it depends on how the homeless are treated vs. how prisoners are treated. In my city, the police go around stealing from the homeless, causing some of them to freeze to death in the winter, but they are safer from sexual assault and have more of their constitutional rights (though not all of them) than they do in prison.

imo we should just house the homeless. keeping people homeless costs $500,000-$1,000,000 a year per person where I live.
 

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A lot of homeless have tried to use this scheme for free room and food and so a lot of them get turned away at the police station if not ignored by the police because their records reflect their efforts.

Naturally they try to re-direct them to the home-less shelter, but from the way I hear it, most of them are not pleasant and have a lot of rules, which defeats the point of being homeless (assuming it is by choice). So with that in mind, they've only two options, get a job be it legal or illegal, or pan handle. As you can see with some homeless, their appearance can be rather off putting to most, and just as it was with Jesus and the Lepers, so it is today...
... NO ONE wants their fast food served to them by a leper. Either A. They are afraid of catching what the leper has. B. They are materialistic, shallow, and up tight about things in life that the animals, and apparently Jesus, did not fret over.

There is of course the mental and emotional factor where in a lot of homeless are just too far gone because of drugs, or just too free mentally to be restrained by a work program or even so much as fit in without getting fired. I know I've certainly considered homelessness a few times, but alas, I ended up with a good paying job with good benefits, so I have to save that adventure for my later years.

On that note, I hear the homeless are happy on the Beaches in California. In fact many office workers out there are homeless. Being homeless in L.A. as an example can have its perks. Though of course it has a lot to do with who you know and where you are at.
 

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In recent years I've noticed an increasing number of people on the streets in Melbourne, Australia (or I just became more observant, I don't have any statistics). It seems pretty rough sleeping outside in winter with strangers walking by. During the day some people walk around begging for money while others sit there with a collection bowl in front of them. They only own a sign, a collection bowl, some blankets, some clothes and sometimes a dog. Many of them don't look healthy judging by the tone of their skin. I've often said they should commit some minor crime like shoplifting and go to jail where they have shelter and access to food, clothes and healthcare. The prison has a library and offers services to help you find employment once you're released. Malcom X entered jail as a semi-literate piece of shit, by the time he was released he was quite well educated. But my opinion is quite uninformed; I've never been homeless or in jail. I'm quite curious to know what other people have to say about this.
They have no reason to be homeless, they could literally walk into Vinnies and start getting help with accommodation, and apply for Centrelink benefits. The unemployed are entitled to around $600 a fortnight. They would also get rent assistance and a healthcare card (giving them access to discount prescription medication and discounts elsewhere). No need to deliberately go to jail in Australia. The reason they don't, is they have social and/or mental issues, and have trouble accessing support. These social/mental issues would probably prevent them forming the plan to deliberately get into jail.

In other countries, on the other hand, not so easy.
 
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