Hacking Here's what we know about how Gateway works...

[IMRAN_PETER]

Try to find the cheapest one^^

okay buddy, it would be hard but I will try to import one...

 

[elunesgrace]

Very informative post!

 

[RenegadeKid]

Well buddy, in my city I know only one person who own 3DS and in my country I think not more than 20 active 3DS owner... Anyway buddy, thanks for reply...

Don't lose hope^^ You see the gateway team is really working hard maybe you can rent the game online, or maybe in the future, we will be able to update the 3DS with a rom, who knows? Be optimistic and don't update your 3DS, because it may never happen.

 

[IMRAN_PETER]

Don't lose hope^^ You see the gateway team is really working hard maybe you can rent the game online, or maybe in the future, we will be able to update the 3DS with a rom, who knows? Be optimistic and don't update your 3DS, because it may never happen.

Dun worry buddy, I dun have wifi in my area, so it wont happen...

 

[RenegadeKid]

Dun worry buddy, I dun have wifi in my area, so it wont happen...

I don't have it too, lol.

Well I know in India, there are a lot of American games, maybe you could import or rent one from India. it may be cheaper than importing it from America... You could also try to import it from Hong-Kong, games are not so expensive there.

 

[n1ghty]

sorry, to stop nand downgrades, that's likely impossible for nintendo to do without a hardware revision. how would you envision that would be possible, if you don't mind clarifying?

Efuses

 

[justinkb]

Efuses

as i said, without a hardware revision. if the 3ds had efuses, i'm pretty sure we'd know about it. tons of people have disected both 3ds and 3ds xl and no mention of efuse or related chips anywhere...

 

[n1ghty]

We have to wait for the decapping to be sure. The xbox also didn't use them at first...

 

[the_randomizer]

I for one am glad that the 3DS hacking scene has signs of life

 

[Boy12]

I for one am glad that the 3DS hacking scene has signs of life

So am i!
I'm very excited to hear that slowly but surely we can expect some big things to be released over the next few months.

 

[yifan_lu]

I love to see ppl without clue debating about how bad piracy is.

Just one note, i was with Neimod at Static, if you dont know what it was, jut google a bit and you will realize how absurd your statments are.

I miss those times with him and Lowang, what a couple ...

I don't know him, only what he said to me in the #3dsdev chat room, which is that he doesn't want to help to prevent piracy above 4.5. If that is not his true intentions, then I still say it is mine's.

 

[Coto]

I hope gamefreak & intelligent systems help developing anti-piracy measures.

here are some ideas: create a modified crc table (hashed against the current fw & the nand contents the 3DS has, plus beggining and ending of current ROM map area -whitelisted and hardcoded-that always will be compared to any, - if any- thread that deals security tasks (like decrypting stuff), every 15 seconds. If such values aren't valid, say three or four times, 3DS closes the current game.

 

[IMRAN_PETER]

I don't have it too, lol.

Well I know in India, there are a lot of American games, maybe you could import or rent one from India. it may be cheaper than importing it from America... You could also try to import it from Hong-Kong, games are not so expensive there.

okay buddy...

 

[the_randomizer]

I hope gamefreak & intelligent systems help develop anti-piracy measures.

here are some ideas: create a modified crc table (hashed against the current fw & the nand contents the 3DS has, plus beggining and ending of current ROM map area -whitelisted and hardcoded-that always will be compared to any, - if any- thread that deals security tasks (like decrypting stuff), every 15 seconds. If such values aren't valid, say three or four times, 3DS closes the current game.

Why are you posting that here? This thread is about the Gateway, not about what anti-piracy measures games need to implement

 

[ichichfly]

here are some ideas: create a modified crc table (hashed against the current fw & the nand contents the 3DS has, plus beggining and ending of current ROM map area -whitelisted and hardcoded-that always will be compared to any, - if any- thread that deals security tasks (like decrypting stuff), every 15 seconds. If such values aren't valid, say three or four times, 3DS closes the current game.

The 3ds already have a NX bit as well as a read only flag. So no.

 

[Coto]

The 3ds already have a NX bit as well as a read only flag. So no.

what happens if nintendo traces the exact memory area gateway uses as placeholder for patching? think of a counter-patch (ie, addresses holding something they shouldn't, or expected), say as any thread from on a game cart as part of the game's code (with a newer key)?

there are lots of ways to prevent a simple raise flag, even by creating a list of all memory areas used (so blacklisted are those free).

that, and props to everyone showing love for hardware debugging.

 

[iNFiNiTY]

Great post about the details after all of the speculation (me included); welcome to Nintendo scene yifan_lu, endless pokemon-related hacking requests awaits you

 

[yifan_lu]

Great post about the details after all of the speculation (me included); welcome to Nintendo scene yifan_lu, endless pokemon-related hacking requests awaits you

It's not that much worse than the playstation scene except people here are a lot more open about piracy while people there pretend to hate piracy but love "backing up" games. I don't know if it's any better

 

[jaouad]

So simple question. How big are the chances 5.0> are gonna be able to be downgraded or hacked?

 

[yifan_lu]

So simple question. How big are the chances 5.0> are gonna be able to be downgraded or hacked?

If you're asking me, I know as much as the next guy (read: nothing). If neimod is right and GW's kernel exploit is patched in 4.5, I'd say maybe a year or two years before the next exploit and sooner if decrypted NAND dumps or RAM dumps are released to the public soon.