Here we go Again! Texas Gov Blames Violent Video Games and other things for School Shooting.

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  1. FAST6191

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    Much to look at there.

    a) Prove it. I have not seen any widely agreed with evidence/studies/whatever that there are negative effects. Several, and the world in general would appear to indicate otherwise, going with a classic then https://web.archive.org/web/2006042...com:80/oldsite/articles/violence/violence.htm
    b) The ratings are massively variable all over the world. Are people so variable as to explain this. Also see a film called This Film Is Not Yet Rated (you can hopefully find a full version out there).
    c) Is that not a question for the parents?
     
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  2. cots

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    Yes, my point was the parents responsibilities. I often see parents purchasing M rated games for their children or bringing them to R-rated movies. I had access to both of these growing up and I didn't shoot anyone, but I valued life. Bad stuff can effect you more then just having bad dreams. I think what these accusers forgot is the majority of kids play violent video games and blaming a game on a school shooting is a weak argument. I agree they have a negative effect on the vulnerable (more so then others), but they are also NOT good stuff for children to be exposed to.
     
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  3. Cylent1

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    You all are friggin crazy!
    Most of the highly popular video games deal with guns and SHOOTING PEOPLE!
    Most of our TV shows deal with guns SHOOTING PEOPLE!
    Soon as you kids get that through your thick, but weak skulls, you will never know that!
    There is more black on black shootings in chicago alone each and every weekend than there is more victims from school shootings ever!
    So the next time you hear about Gun Control and White Nationalism in the same debate, you your brain and think logically!
     
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  4. If they had a negative effect on children then we would have school shootings everyday. And our crime rate would be ALOT higher. I play violent video games and you don't see me shooting anybody? What you said is just hypocritical in every way. Sure...some kids may be affected doesn't mean all of them are. We are all different...doesn't mean we need to punish everybody for things that stupid kids do.
     
  5. Steena

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    there's an interesting case of switcheroo of sacred cows between the left and right, regarding the effect of media in real life.

    - the fundamentalist christians of the 80's believe that violent media generates violence; the left denies
    - the twittermob far left believe that sexism or even complex/fair/negative portrayal of rape in media will generate such things in real life; everyone else denies, including the more moderate left at times, but the most vocal are the centrists

    i'm afraid you can't have one be true and not the other. either the things you see in media affect you, or they do not. the matter of the discussion should be how much. once you defend your sacred cow while attacking the other, them being in the same exact camp, you lose any credibility. in general, the hatemob left of today has a hilariously high rate of parallels with the ban-craze happy fundamentalist right of 30 years ago, often times coming to the same exact conclusions on authoritarianism, just giving different motivations for their little culture control.

    see, there IS a reason why a lot of gamers are anti-sjw centrists. Surprisingly to some, it isn't that nazis randomly decided to barricade into gaming. they reacted the same way as when they were attacked by the religion nuts 3 console generations ago. "gamers" as a group have never been political outside of whoever tells them they can't play their games, then they align to whoever is opposing that team. it's not about who they are, it's about who they oppose. it's always been that way. the media, and the slacktivist left (the same thing concerning america today), uses this narrative as a convenient way to kick-start anti-right movements under the guise that the gamers are somehow coordinating to become nazis, when in reality it's "anti-sjw", which is extremely different. Youtube has a community of this too. Just like, once again a parallel, the christians of the 90's called gamers the antichrist when they just wanted religion bullshit to be outside of games, regardless of being atheists or not. It's all a political move to rile up your faction by pretending the enemy has bolstered an army of their respective extremists.

    the only thing that actually changes is who controls culture. whoever does it, will want to use arguments invoking their team's sacred ideology to change shit because that allows you to not bring actual arguments and just use shock value to win. it was the jesus for the right, it is the hurt feelings snowflakes for the left right now. different coat of paint, same shit. still no actual discussion or fair arguments.

    always funny seeing a partizan cultist of whatever team claiming violence has no effect but then treat sexism in games as a bigger issue than world famine. and vice versa. as we can see in this very threat. that's a way to completely destroy your point by your own action. and the discussion will never seriously start as long as you view this in idiotic partizan terms, so you can just go head and stop wasting your time with it.
     
  6. Xzi

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    It's not a binary 'either or' proposition. Some people have a harder time separating fiction from reality than others. In addition, this fails to acknowledge that certain content is created with the express intent of radicalizing others. Both ISIS and far-right white nationalists have radicalization pipelines spread across the internet through various sites.
     
  7. WD_GASTER2

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    people digest content differently. i played mgs and mortal kombat when i was 12-13 and i know many other kids who did and they are just fine. There also studies if i remember correctly that have reached the same conclusion where it has little to no effect. That is not to say that a kid with a different mindset would not react differently to such content.
    lets be honest here though people for the most part in this thread rather just be outraged at the headline though? yes?
    that being said we do live in a weird society where sexuality bothers us more than violence, which blows my mind.
    That being said yes, parents if available should see how kids react to content and determine what they should and should not be exposed to when younger.
    Lets forget that though, Nuance is dead and people rather troll and act mega offended on all sides of this issue before anything else.
     
  8. Snugglevixen

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    Women who don't have access to an abortion clinic will try all kinds of dangerous alternatives.
     
  9. Steena

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    The vast majority of the peak schizophrenia cases are observed having a complete detachment from reality, for example the columbine diaries and the bjorn stalker showcase a total disconnect from societal standards and general interaction mechanics. That elliot roger kid was 100% delusional as transpiring from his recordings, a 4 year olds have a better grasp on reality. Context nor intent would help there, especially given that the former extracted much of the ideology by hilariously misrepresenting comic books. Would that become retroactively ban material?

    And when you look at the spectrum of personalities most likely to enact acts of outrageous violence, it is most often those at the very end of human rationality. In other words proposing context regulations could very likely leave the outcome unchanged while only destroying art that gets misrepresented in the crossfire. This is what happens when you sling short term feelie-based kneejerk reaction changes for political points without understanding what the fuck you're talking about.

    And before you go into "there is no misrepresentation", I can start the list of the Southern Poverty Law Center smears they enacted without any basis off singular bad google searches and lost to court for defamation, speaking of the US. So once again, data before conclusions. We can also talk about how we know absolutely nothing about social platforms algorithms and then wonder why reality clashes with the cutesy unicorn in our heads. Bringing evidence in your own very post, calling for the modern nazi boogeyman, a movement whose proclaimed leader has a fifth of my twitter followers does not instill much confidence about your judgement of what the priorities of humanity would be, as you specifically filter everything through your little partizan politics before literally anything, being pretty much the left version of alex jones.

    Data, studies. That's the only thing that's gonna work unfortunately, as succulent as firing hot takes may initially seem to a partizan drone. We have nothing conducted on a large scale and modern regarding the effect of media. The only thing that's happened is the christian fundamentalists just became less relevant with their ban bitching so things just kept going forward without much resistance. That's not the same as having a dataset and creating entertain based off informed pointers, it's just the only opposition lost relevance. And every week, every time something happens you'll be stuck on this point arguing feelies versus feelies, getting nowhere.

    Ultimately further disproving your pathetically superficial point, opinions on fiction like Starship troopers is completely divided, to this day, with people perpetually arguing if it were a political manifesto or a mocking of that idea. Game of Thrones often is discussed regarding misinterpreted sexism or empowerment, with one side saying it's awfully toxic and the other saying it's the most progressive female representation in a book in 50 years. Aside from those high-intensity cases, hardcore deconstructionists argue that any piece of art made during whatever dominant set of cultural values is a 100% manifesto drenched in those values, no matter the context or the political intent it had. What about those? So no, your solution sucks, whoever decides what is propaganda is likely going to be an idiot partizan about it, one way or another. Get the data in first. Demand for studies, not change. The change will naturally follow as numbers will make your case better over tears.

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    That's my point. If we go by existing studies claiming violence in media has zero tangible effect on rational people, everyone should fight for superficial, comical, exaggerated, and distasteful representation of rape of all bizarre kinds because it would bring no harm and just open up the possibilities for art, being an easy net positive. That's obviously not the stance of most people, especially in the US rape is considered worse than death, curiously, and most outrages do stem from sexism in media on top of it, after racism. And again, the same would function with racism. We should allow comically racist art because entertainment has no tangible effect on people, apparently.

    The reality is, those studies are superficial and the current outlook on the effect of media is largely emotional, not rational. Hence it is useless to use it to base anything off of other than your personal emotions.
     
  10. WD_GASTER2

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    with all due respect i have NO idea what the heck you are talking about. You seem to be taking an extreme position as where i was trying to say that life is not black and white.

    That being said its 4 am here and i rather go to bed than try to make sense of it. Nothing personal.
     
  11. Xzi

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    I didn't propose a solution, I only stated the problem(s). Seems like you're arguing with the opposition in your head more than me.
     
  12. Superbronx

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    My wife and I had a simple approach to video game violence. We did not allow our children even the slightest exposure to games with violent content until they were old enough to distinguish between fictional violence and and violence in the real world.
    The results of our approach? My daughter has no interest in FPS nor fighters period. My son enjoys FPS but he has no desire to take the video game violence to the streets. He sees fiction as fiction and reality as reality.
     
  13. Haloman800

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    "The white man don't even see it himself" What does this have to do with race?
     
  14. Missingphy

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    video games have nothing to do with violence... the actions you perform after playing them are the violence
     
  15. AmandaRose

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    The issue is not violent video games or rap music or violent films ect. Britain has all of them when was the last school shooting here. It was over 30 years ago.

    Something else is seriously wrong in America and instead of people blaming violent games they should actually try and find out the actual cause of why kids are shooting up schools in in the USA and not elsewhere.
     
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