Gaming Has anyone gotten banned from playing Pokemon Moon online?

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No, if someone gets banned, they should not be pawning off their mistake on anyone. Period. Don't sell it on craigslist. Don't sell it on eBay, don't sell it to Gamestop. Own your mistake.

hey my boy,
this site is to exploit the top to bottom of every systems
meaning bans are included as well in addition to piracy
if you like it or not keep it to yourself
no1 wants to hear that
mostly when we see 5 pages long of people complain why did you played online that's useless
it will most likely happen to you one day
let's wait untillyou come winning to us
 

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Yes, I am. The first was never passed and the second was passed with ammendments. It also applies to people sharing, not the downloaders.

"This act, also known as the "ART Act", is targeted at preventing copyright infringement of movies and software. It specifically targets two activities: filming movies in a movie theater, and early release of movies and software before they become publicly available."
You are right. My mistake.

@NiceCreamGuy My point was not to call him a criminal. I have pirated things before too, I'm not trying to be a hypocrite. All I'm saying is that by pirating their game, he has no right to throw a temper-tantrum over them not telling him specifically why he was banned. He stole from them, they don't owe him a god damn thing.
 

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hey my boy,
this site is to exploit the top to bottom of every systems
meaning bans are included as well in addition to piracy
if you like it or not keep it to yourself
no1 wants to hear that
mostly when we see 5 pages long of people complain why did you played online that's useless
it will most likely happen to you one day
let's wait untillyou come winning to us

I have no problem with pirates, none whatsoever in fact. I only have an issue with pirates who pass their mistakes onto other unwilling people. I never said anyone specific did it, I just added it to my reply to you as a reason people might be mad.
 
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I have no problem with pirates, none whatsoever in fact. I only have an issue with pirates who pass their mistakes onto other unwilling people. I never said anyone specific did it, I just added it to my reply to you as a reason people might be mad.
with threads that you can ignore
this will end very quickly trust
there is a developer who is comming with a bypass
i did some research and i talked to him
 

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...Why are we fighting over this again?

While I don't care about pirating (companies are shit, exc exc....) I do think getting a console ID off a used3ds and then selling the extra is wrong. If you are going to do this, keep the other 3ds so you don't screw over someone else if Nintendo actually stops being lazy and bans the new console ID.
 

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if you get banned buy another 3ds then you can unban the banned 3ds and have 2 3ds

Not if you get banned and the other 3ds is somewhere else, likely in some small kid's hands who is going to wonder why he can't play Pokemon online anymore.

That was my point though, keep the 3ds you buy to unban yourself, do not sell it off or return it.
 

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I live in Australia and they online ban sure but refusing access to a digital good is illegal under consumer law.

Consumer guarantees applying to goods
come with undisturbed possession, so no one has the right to take the goods away from or to prevent the consumer from using them
 

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I live in Australia and they online ban sure but refusing access to a digital good is illegal under consumer law.

Consumer guarantees applying to goods
come with undisturbed possession, so no one has the right to take the goods away from or to prevent the consumer from using them
it's still in your possession, you don't own nintendo's server or eshop though
 

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I live in Australia and they online ban sure but refusing access to a digital good is illegal under consumer law.

Consumer guarantees applying to goods
come with undisturbed possession, so no one has the right to take the goods away from or to prevent the consumer from using them

Except, you know, this, one of the exceptions to those guarantees: "misused a product in any way that caused the problem"

If you get banned for doing something you're not supposed to do, especially something illegal, those laws are not going to help you.
 

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That was the first thing I said to you.... Someone else called you entitled. I do agree with him, though. That fact that you think Nintendo owes you an explanation after you STOLE FROM THEM makes you entitled. They don't owe you ANYTHING. If they really wanted to, they could easily file a criminal lawsuit against you. If your profile is correct and you really are 26, you should be beaten with an oar. How does someone your age think this way?
In the vast majority of countries, copyright infringement and theft are two separate statutes. Therefore it is hyperbole to state that copyright infringement ("piracy") is theft/stealing. It is copyright infringement. Nothing more and nothing less. No need to be hyperbolic about it. Still illegal, but not theft. Just because you are morally opposed to something doesn't magically turn one crime into another. Criminal codes are clearly delineated when it comes to theft and copyright infringement. If you have a moral opposition to infringement that's fine. But you are entering the realm of opinion rather than fact when you say that it is stealing.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1985 that infringement does not equate with theft. See Dowling v. United States (1985), 473 U.S. 207, 217–218).

Also at least in the US there is no such thing as a "Criminal lawsuit." Lawsuits are within the civil domain. You do not go to jail or prison losing a lawsuit* unless your country has debtor prisons and you refuse to pay if you get a judgement against you awarding damages to the other party. If you lose a lawsuit and refuse to pay then you go into debt and depending on the state your wages can be garnished, a lien can be placed against one or more assets, and/or the winning party can be entitled to withholding from your checking account(s). * = Two notable exceptions are lawsuits where the plaintiff is the Internal Revenue Service and cases involving child support ("deadbeat fathers.")


If you wish to prove me wrong, look through case law on LexisNexis or WestLaw and cite specific cases where a defendant was convicted of theft and/or larceny for copyright infringement and the appellate court(s) upheld the judgement. If you can find even one case then judicial precedence could perhaps establish that copyright infringement is theft. I'll also accept citations of non-U.S. cases if the source is credible for case law. And before you cite Dowling v. US, know that

Alternatively, you could look through statutes for a developed first world country such as those in Western Europe, Canada, United States, etc where either a theft or larceny statute would apply to copyright infringement.

An example of theft would be removing a physical copy of Pokémon Sun and/or Moon from GameStop without paying for it and without authorization. That would be the act of stealing.

If it were possible to convict someone of theft and/or larceny for copyright infringement then prosecutors would most certainly do so. Prosecutors in the U.S. have a habit of overcharging people so they can pressure the defendant into a proffer (plea bargain).

Again, copyright infringement is still illegal and indeed can be considered a felony in some cases (such as being the original source to leak a prerelease games), but it is not "stealing." It is copyright infringement. No need to say an apple is also an orange in addition to being an apple.

But ultimately, yes, Nintendo can deny anyone access to their servers for any reason or even no reason. At least in the U.S. that is within their rights.
 
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Did they actually ban NNID's though? Has anyone unlinked the NNID by calling nintendo and trying to link it on a new device?
 
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I live in Australia and they online ban sure but refusing access to a digital good is illegal under consumer law.

Consumer guarantees applying to goods
come with undisturbed possession, so no one has the right to take the goods away from or to prevent the consumer from using them
When you purchase digital games you purchase the license to borrow them, you don't technically own the games. I'm no expert I just know the jist.
 
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As a french lawyer, I can confirm that Nintendo (at least in EU, didn't read other regions Terms and Conditions) has the right to revoke your license (= take your digital game from you) if you break the contract you've concluded with them. And piracy is obviously not allowed by the Terms and Conditions.
 
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When you purchase digital games you purchase the license to borrow them, you don't technically own the games. I'm no expert I just know the jist.

While I'm no expert either, a least in Europe, said license is irrevocable, though I'm probably wrong on that (while in the US, you're buying a revocable license)

Again, another reason why PC gaming is superior, Steam won't ban my entire library for one pirated game :^)
 

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So just going to say this but please for the love of anything good don't sell the 3ds that's ban to anywhere. my nephew was given a 3ds that was banned and when his parents went to return it they said it was banned and they made a fuzz about not wanting to take it back this was with gamestop. just keep it or use it as target practice I don't care just don't sell it.
 
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