hacked psp vs hacked 3ds for retro emulation

Discussion in '3DS - Homebrew Development and Emulators' started by J-Machine, May 27, 2018.

  1. slaphappygamer

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    Adrenaline is great. I sold my psp2001. The vita1001 totally replaces my Psp.
     
  2. deathblade200

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    its not an emulator it uses psp hardware to run psp mode
     
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  3. brunocar

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    wrong, its a partial emulator on the PSP, which is then emulated in the vita through its own partial PSP emulator
     
  4. deathblade200

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    psp is emulated on the psp uh you high? and on vita both psp and ps1 work via Virtualization not emulation same way ds and gba work on the 3ds
     
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  5. E1ite007

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    Actually the PSP isn't 1:1 compatible with PS1 games... look at WWF Smackdown 2! Know You Role for example, it played like the half of speed, and also the lack of some controls made it pretty shitty to play.
    Actually because the more controls the n3DS has, the control scheme would be much better for some games like those... but of course de n3DS can't do PS1 like the PSP, even with that game (and some more that doesn't run correctly on PSP).
     
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  6. deathblade200

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    if pops loader worked on vita this wouldn't be an issue the real problem is that sony mainly designed it to work optimally with official psn classics but psp can still use popsloader and get around this issue
     
  7. E1ite007

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    Well, I never heard about POPSLoader (better late than never), and looks that with 5.01 POPS, the game runs pretty smooth but it can't load entrances or loading screens, it just freezes there.
    In fact (blame on me) I never played a regular match of WWF Smackdown! 2 on PSP, I only tried to play Hell In A Cell (where the ring is inside a cage with celling) and the game lagged as hell. And in some vids on YouTube the game runs pretty OK, but only in singles and regular matches.
    Possibly there's an actual limit, but I'll check with some POPS if the game can be FULLY playable, I'm mean with all types of matches and that. And I'll check some other games I "own" to see if some other has some kind of issue like that.
    Cheers and thanks 'cause POPSLoader, trully never heard of it until today.
     
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  8. brunocar

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    no, read it again, the vita emulates the PSP partially (their CPU architecture is similar), which then emulates the PSX partially (once again, similar architecture), same thing with GBA on 3DS, the arm 7 CPU is there, it emulates the rest of the hardware, as for DS, its full hardware, 0% emulation on 3DS
     
  9. deathblade200

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    again its virtualization not emulation there is a major difference especially when it comes to performance and compatibility and wrong about ds its a different arm9 cpu just similar architecture
     
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  10. brunocar

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    its literally the same chip, it even uses the same arm7 coprocessor, it does use virtualization for the ram, that much is true, but the rest is bare hardware
     
  11. deathblade200

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    the funny thing is you say this but yet said "no, read it again, the vita emulates the PSP partially (their CPU architecture is similar)," when the vita contains the psp mips processor inside it
     
  12. tunip3

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    Just don't get a n3ds or a psp either get a switch or a vita both are super easy to hack
     
  13. Dracari

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    i'd personally choose PSP for things like NES/ GBC/GB if we're going apples to oranges here. emulators (gpSP and Homer's Rin are more refined and compatible compared not to say they arent w/o issues) but the DS cant be beat for SNES emulation either by Virtual Console or by things like the snes9x port which orginally was ment as an answer to Snes VC on the O3DS. my reasoning for that is Snes9x TL for the PSP has too many flaws and inaccuracies, where Earthbound runs fine in Snes9x on the 3DS and no issue at all in a N3DS offical VC. the PSP 's emulator however, its bad enough that it triggers earthbound's Copy Protection (increased enemy spawn/higher levels and if you make it to giygas, well the meme of your XXX (whatever here) is just another meal to him!", well your Save file was just another meal (it triggers the crash and save wipe final check at that fight.)

    one System you cannot beat the PSP at however is PS1, its a core part of the PSP and for a handfull of games its just a matter of using POPSloader and selecting the right POPS version to make work or changing to the right Game ID (i know you neede dto change ID and use a specific pops version for Chrono Cross *Before* square enix finally released a "Fixed" official port

    if your investing alot of time into GBA i dont know whats better, gpSP on the PSP (has plenty high enough compatibility even cheat support) or the 3DS's VC (albeit you need the right set of patches for some games and some need manual Hex editing of the rom before hand,) the few actual needs for a better emulator that 3DS's VC cant provide compatibility for, you need SNES games or dont care about PS1 games, that one could argue you could be better off soly sinking mainly into an N3DS for emulation.

    edit: if you want to get a Switch for much more in emulation than what the 3DS and PSP are limited to , your going to want to do it soon before Mariko units appear in the wild. which may/maynot likely need an actual soldered on ship rather than how we can abuse by using RCM with current units. go for whats easier for your terms in the long run and easier on your wallet. a PSP is the cheapest if you get a older PSP2k then a N3DS + NTRBoot compatible/preflashed flashcart second cheapest then a switch at near 300USD

    Brunocar, with virtualization its not emulation its a Translation of Functions, calls and instructions, far less overhead and its what gives a much better performance compared to emulation. (even on host platforms w/ the same CPU [ this is why DS Emulation failed so hard and DS from SD efforts were shifted to twlloader +nds-bootstrap] in a PSP there *Is* some emulation going on not a 100% virtualization going on (i could be wrong i dont recall if theres something doing the same effect to the PS1 GPU much like the PSP doing w/ the CPU)
    a full example of partial vs full emulation is Look at the backwards compatible PS3's the 20 and 60GB SKU's visualized the GPU and CPU (they retained the RSX[GPU] and the EE[CPU] and games run exactly like we see DS games and GBA games on the 3DS. the 40GB model only does "FULL" software emulation (CFW is needed and was only found in safemode and compatibility drops to below 20%) However PS1 playback that is speculation as its been years since i touched a PS3 (kinda got mixed up with a few thngs about Helping a few devs related in bringing OtherOS to FW 3.41+ and my PS3 is we'll just say "Lost.") is Full Emulation in Software, this is atleast true in All Slims and the 40GB Phattie. i'm not certain however if PS1 playback is still emulation rather than virtualization on the 2060 and 80GB models (80's are partial virtualization. as the Emotion Engine(CPU) was removed and Compatibility droped a bit but not to the levels of full emulation)

    for the mistaking of "Same chip" there even different Arm7 and ARM 9's for example (newer revision of instructions, better efficiency.) and the host platform plays a key factor. cant just drum up some nifty program to magically make say a PS1 game run on any device sharing the same MIPS processor, alot more time hasto be invested in visualizing everything (and theres still going to be *some* overhead) and making sure it atleast functions before improving for higher compatibilityi'm sure theres more out there that can explain it better than i can and even why the vita cant use certain psp plugins like popsloader
     
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  14. brunocar

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    the vita CPU is quite different, it has a bunch more instructions and is a lot faster
     
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    Wish you a quick recovery mate
     
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  16. deathblade200

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    I'm not talking about the ARM Cortex-A9 I'm talking about the MIPS R4000 which IS inside a vita and yifan thinks that the psp gpu might also be contained inside
     
  17. Joel16

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    Doesn't concern you.
    I would go for the PSP.
     
  18. natkoden

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    3DS vs PSP? 3DS of course. NES/SNES/GB/GBC/GBA/, SEGA, NDS (with a flashcart) and 3DS games in one system? Hell yeah. The PSP sucks for that, SNES and GBA emulation is crap.

    Don't know about the Vita.
     
  19. Manana

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    I struggle with this everytime I go to my car to rip my bong. If you want to play rpgs and haven't beaten final fantasy 7-9, xenogears, valkyrie profile, grandia, chrono cross (somebody stop me) PSP is the is the best choice by far. Though perspective, nostalgia and age all play a factor in your decsion. I love them both but psp is my shit. gba and snes with the proper build and emulator work great and everything under that is perfect. 3ds is near perfection though if you don't care about PS1 but that's blasphemy to rpgs lol. PS1 is not even slightly playable on 3DS, no sound still lags and no sound is a no go in most rpgs, that music demands respect. PS1 on 3DS is basically N64 on PSP, incomplete. Only difference is if N64 ever improves to full speed you get PS1 AND N64 IN YOUR POCKET! (With built in controls so phones don't count) I say 3DS for snes rpgs is the safe bet due to VC injects, only if it's already hacked though.

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    Have you tried tempgba on the psp? I haven't found a game that doesn't work. Snes I'll give you because I hate messing with settings but In the rpg matchup I'm pretty sure PSP easily takes that cake smashes it in your face lol. But he said snes so your right
     
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  20. natkoden

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    Yes, and it has issues with games such as Golden Sun. Missing sounds, frame drops, sound skipping, etc.

    And there are other games that have those issues and more. Is not perfect.

    Overall, the 3DS is the better console. In many aspects. It's the perfect retro machine.
     
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