Ground Zero Mosque. Yes or No?

[taktularCBo]

what is with all of you and thinking i think that i believe those conspiracies

im just stating them

QUOTE9/11 was fake
it was done to make islam look bad
this is all a setup done by bush/administration
i saw this video (i cant find it in my email, but if someone wants to see it, ill look for it)
it showed how the 9/11 was fake and it couldn't have been done naturally
if a plane crashed on the 80-90 floor and it bust there, how is the damn building supposed to FALL

mhhh?

as I said, you make Muslims look like idiots and this is not fair, because most of them would never agree with what you said!

 

[kiafazool]

this argument is never gonna end

i pick number 1 because everyone has difference opinions and different viewpoints
1. stop calling me a fool
2. i dont make muslims look like idiots
3. im not trolling
4. i dont have an intelligence of a brick
5. again im a muslim and why the heck would i make ourselves look bad
6. I TOLD YOU I DONT BELIEVE IN ANY CONSPIRACIES OR THERIOES
7. this topic is going the wrong way
8. sorry if anything offended anyone
9. sorry to everyone
10. i dont want to talk about this anymore
11. this list is long and i should stop

 

[taktularCBo]

this argument is never gonna end

i pick number 1 because everyone has difference opinions and different viewpoints
1. stop calling me a fool
2. i dont make muslims look like idiots
3. im not trolling
4. i dont have an intelligence of a brick
5. again im a muslim and why the heck would i make ourselves look bad
6. I TOLD YOU I DONT BELIEVE IN ANY CONSPIRACIES OR THERIOES
7. this topic is going the wrong way
8. sorry if anything offended anyone
9. sorry to everyone
10. i dont want to talk about this anymore
11. this list is long and i should stop

do whatever you want, I just wanted to point out, as people love to generalize, that you (THANK GOD!) neither represent the average Muslim nor the average Canadian.

 

[Overlord Nadrian]

1. stop calling me a fool
2. i dont make muslims look like idiots
3. im not trolling
4. i dont have an intelligence of a brick
5. again im a muslim and why the heck would i make ourselves look bad
6. I TOLD YOU I DONT BELIEVE IN ANY CONSPIRACIES OR THERIOES
7. this topic is going the wrong way
8. sorry if anything offended anyone
9. sorry to everyone
10. i dont want to talk about this anymore
11. this list is long and i should stop

1. I do as I please.
2. You do.
3. If you aren't, you have the intelligence of a brick.
4. If you don't, you're trolling.
5. See 3 and 4 for further reference.
6. Yet everything you say makes us believe you do.
7. How so?
8. No one is offended (except by your trolling/intelligence, perhaps).
9. You just said nearly the same thing twice.
10. Then don't.
11. Eleven sentences aren't much. Heck, they aren't even sentences as you can't be arsed to use capitalizatian and/or punctuation marks.

This argument will only end when you finally admit your defeat. I always win.

 

[Madridi]

Stop derailing the thread guys, it started off in a good way.. This is never good..
I havent read this entire thread, but I'll keep it at this:

My opinion as a Muslim:
- If it's on ground zero, then no.. There is nothing really wrong with it, but its just somehow inappropriate. It's sensitive to families of those who lost people in 9/11 .. We can have Mosques built at any other place, no reason to do a "stunt" like that..

- If it's near (I read two blocks somewhere?), I dont see why not.. at all!

 

[kiafazool]

1. stop calling me a fool
2. i dont make muslims look like idiots
3. im not trolling
4. i dont have an intelligence of a brick
5. again im a muslim and why the heck would i make ourselves look bad
6. I TOLD YOU I DONT BELIEVE IN ANY CONSPIRACIES OR THERIOES
7. this topic is going the wrong way
8. sorry if anything offended anyone
9. sorry to everyone
10. i dont want to talk about this anymore
11. this list is long and i should stop

1. I do as I please.
2. You do.
3. If you aren't, you have the intelligence of a brick.
4. If you don't, you're trolling.
5. See 3 and 4 for further reference.
6. Yet everything you say makes us believe you do.
7. How so?
8. No one is offended (except by your trolling/intelligence, perhaps).
9. You just said nearly the same thing twice.
10. Then don't.
11. Eleven sentences aren't much. Heck, they aren't even sentences as you can't be arsed to use capitalizatian and/or punctuation marks.

This argument will only end when you finally admit your defeat. I always win.

you win
there happy
you can now start making a list of people you beat in arguments
congratulation

and when you say i make muslims look like idiots and i have an intelligence of a brick
i feel offended


number 11 is just random

 

[Slyakin]

Great, I hate it when polls like these come up.

I don't get why there is so much hate for Islam. Look at Hitler. He was Christian, and he eradicated a LOT of jews. Do they stop the building of churches in Germany? No.

The only reason there is so much hate is because people are UNFAMILIAR with Islam and the culture that goes along with it. Those extremists are just retarded, they are NOT a representation of Islam.

 

[Overlord Nadrian]

I never said you had the intelligence of a brick. Read my post again: I said you were either trolling or you had the intelligence of a brick.

But you really do make muslims look like idiots. At least madridi4ever provided a good argument. Which is why I didn't start hating on him.

 

[kiafazool]

Great, I hate it when polls like these come up.

I don't get why there is so much hate for Islam. Look at Hitler. He was Christian, and he eradicated a LOT of jews. Do they stop the building of churches in Germany? No.

The only reason there is so much hate is because people are UNFAMILIAR with Islam and the culture that goes along with it. Those extremists are just retarded, they are NOT a representation of Islam.

my point exactly

and no one start with me again because i dont want to talk about this topic anymore

 

[Overlord Nadrian]

Then why are you still here?

 

[Madridi]

All in all, I dont see why anything that would create contraversy or deals with sensitivity issues would be (built in this case) ..

There are always alternatives..

I'm not only talking about this issue, but in general, since there are alternatives, why go there?

 

[431unknown]

This thread is bs, personally I feel that this whole issue is just for propaganda use. If they must build it then let them and if it's pissing people off so much then talk the Catholics and Jews into building a church and a synagogue on either side of it!

 

[Whizz]

Great, I hate it when polls like these come up.

I don't get why there is so much hate for Islam. Look at Hitler. He was Christian, and he eradicated a LOT of jews. Do they stop the building of churches in Germany? No.

The only reason there is so much hate is because people are UNFAMILIAR with Islam and the culture that goes along with it. Those extremists are just retarded, they are NOT a representation of Islam.

Actually, while Hitler was raised Catholic it is unknown if he was a true Catholic because of contradicting statements made by himself and those around him. So it's not known if he handled the way he did because of his religion. With Muslim extremists it is often known that they handle in the name of Allah, because they say so. So your argument doesn't really hold up.

You are absolutely right though that muslims and muslim extremists are completely different people, and people really shouldn't confuse the two. The extremist's Allah is not the same Allah as real muslims believe in.

 

[Madridi]

Great, I hate it when polls like these come up.

I don't get why there is so much hate for Islam. Look at Hitler. He was Christian, and he eradicated a LOT of jews. Do they stop the building of churches in Germany? No.

The only reason there is so much hate is because people are UNFAMILIAR with Islam and the culture that goes along with it. Those extremists are just retarded, they are NOT a representation of Islam.

Actually, while Hitler was raised Catholic it is unknown if he was a true Catholic because of contradicting statements made by himself and those around him. So it's not known if he handled the way he did because of his religion. With Muslim extremists it is often known that they handle in the name of Allah, because they say so. So your argument doesn't really hold up.

You are absolutely right though that muslims and muslim extremists are completely different people, and people really shouldn't confuse the two. The extremist's Allah is not the same Allah as real muslims believe in.

I think you are confused a bit in a certain point (that, or I misunderstood you, in which I apologize)
Extremists BELIEVE that they ARE doing what Allah wants them to do (btw, Allah literally means God, it's just the Arabic translation for it)
Obviously that's wrong, and that's not the teachings of Islam..

 

[Pyrate02]

By the way, why doesn't anyone here look at who is behind building this mosque? The Cordoba Initiative has a plan of world domination to go out and buy up OTHER houses of worship and turn them into mosques. Simply put, the moslems want nothing less than complete world domination and to impose their religion on everyone else. When will people realize this and wake up?

 

[SylvWolf]

What I find funny about the whole "Bush did 9/11" crowd is that they then turn around and say Bush was an idiot. It's like, what, is he the glorious mastermind of the most devastating attack on America in decades, or is he a complete buffoon? The two sides don't really match.

Anyway, on the actual topic, I'm torn. I believe that if there's the demand for it, yes, they should be able to build a mosque. But if the people living there would be extremely against it, it might not be a good idea. I didn't have any personal relation to 9/11 (as in, no family/friends of mine died), so I don't know how many of those people would still feel about the issue. However, if they were against it to an extreme, there could be violence, and I think I'd rather see the mosque not be there than have it be attacked.

I don't know. It's a tough issue, and very opinion-influenced. I try to look at both sides, but that is tough sometimes.

 

[emigre]

If I recall correctly there's been a makeshift Mosque in the area for several years. The 'Ground Zero,' Mosque is just to be a permanent residence.

It has to be said that this is really a non story. The proposed Mosque as mentioned earlier is being built two blocks away from where the World Trade centere stood. The way this has been reported has been deceiving. Also here's another thing, in the area there's a Buddist temple and a Synagogue so there's clearly a record of religious buildings being built in the area. The problem is Islam is being stigmitised in the last decade and there are plenty of people who not knowledgeable about Islam. Hence why some people struggle to distinguish between moderate muslims and extremism.

Personally I have no problem with a Mosque being built. I may not beleive in God or religion but I would never limit one's liberty to do so. And this story in hand just sounds like Social Conervatives trying to gain some political points here like Sarah Palin.

Summary: Tolerence FTW

 

[Whizz]

Great, I hate it when polls like these come up.

I don't get why there is so much hate for Islam. Look at Hitler. He was Christian, and he eradicated a LOT of jews. Do they stop the building of churches in Germany? No.

The only reason there is so much hate is because people are UNFAMILIAR with Islam and the culture that goes along with it. Those extremists are just retarded, they are NOT a representation of Islam.

Actually, while Hitler was raised Catholic it is unknown if he was a true Catholic because of contradicting statements made by himself and those around him. So it's not known if he handled the way he did because of his religion. With Muslim extremists it is often known that they handle in the name of Allah, because they say so. So your argument doesn't really hold up.

You are absolutely right though that muslims and muslim extremists are completely different people, and people really shouldn't confuse the two. The extremist's Allah is not the same Allah as real muslims believe in.

I think you are confused a bit in a certain point (that, or I misunderstood you, in which I apologize)
Extremists BELIEVE that they ARE doing what Allah wants them to do (btw, Allah literally means God, it's just the Arabic translation for it)
Obviously that's wrong, and that's not the teachings of Islam..

What part? What I mean is, that while both extremists and regular muslims believe in Allah and handle in his name, the extremists have a different (fucked up) view. That is why I say that they don't have the same God. Technically, yes, they do have the same God. All Muslims honour one Allah, but I hope you get my point.

 

[Issac]

I don't think it's a good idea. I don't think that there were any plans to the 9/11 attack to build a mosque (who does that anyway?).
But I do think that the people affected by the attack might hold a grudge against muslims (Even if far from all muslims thinks that the attack was a good idea, i'm not saying anything like that) and a mosque at ground zero is like literary strew salt in an open wound.

Feel free to build a mosque anywhere BUT in that place.

Muslim extremists attack USA -> crash planes into twin towers -> build muslim mosque close to that place....... just no....

So you are saying that Islam is the motive behind the attacks? That is like saying because gay pornography is not something to be viewed by kids, therefore no homosexuals should be allowed to go to school. The good old American way of thinking huh?
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No I am trying as hard as I can NOT to say that (hence all the parenthesises!! I have many muslim friends and such I have nothing agains ANY religion).
And I'm not even american. (actually, the extremists say that they act by islam and stuff, even though I think that's just bullshit, and they use their religion in a fucked up way to blame their actions on).
SO I don't say that Islam is behind the attack, but the extemists behind the attack claim that they just "follow the quoran"... but please don't misinpret it that I think so :S
But anyway, what I said was that EXTREMISTS did it... could've been any religion but in this case they were muslims. and these particular extremists says that the quoran tells them that this is what they should do... and that is what THEY are thinking, not saying all muslims think that way, and I don't think any such thing could be interpreted from the quoran at all.
So, those muslim extremists made something there, and therefore I think it's inapropriate to build a mosque there. sure it is two blocks away, but all the media attention that it gets right now, it could've just been AT the actual site.

So I think just build it a few more blocks away.

I would think the same if it were christian extremists who did the attack, and people wanted to build a christian church there... not approriate.

so please westside, don't misunderstand what I wrote. And i personally think that your metaphor is rather off. I just think that building a 6 story mosque and muslim community center so close to a place which by many americans (wrongly) accuse the muslims for destroying... still i say that there are people who think that way. I DON'T! but it is a sensitive thing for those over there, and therefore it's just stupid to do such a thing.
by your metaphor, I think muslims are not allowed to exist in new york... and i never even said anything remotely like that.

Something that's bound to happen if they build it there: An (or a group of) american will feel the need to save the city from the "evil" and go blow it up or something... there's always angry psychos out there... so just don't build it so close.

 

[Madridi]

Great, I hate it when polls like these come up.

I don't get why there is so much hate for Islam. Look at Hitler. He was Christian, and he eradicated a LOT of jews. Do they stop the building of churches in Germany? No.

The only reason there is so much hate is because people are UNFAMILIAR with Islam and the culture that goes along with it. Those extremists are just retarded, they are NOT a representation of Islam.

Actually, while Hitler was raised Catholic it is unknown if he was a true Catholic because of contradicting statements made by himself and those around him. So it's not known if he handled the way he did because of his religion. With Muslim extremists it is often known that they handle in the name of Allah, because they say so. So your argument doesn't really hold up.

You are absolutely right though that muslims and muslim extremists are completely different people, and people really shouldn't confuse the two. The extremist's Allah is not the same Allah as real muslims believe in.

I think you are confused a bit in a certain point (that, or I misunderstood you, in which I apologize)
Extremists BELIEVE that they ARE doing what Allah wants them to do (btw, Allah literally means God, it's just the Arabic translation for it)
Obviously that's wrong, and that's not the teachings of Islam..

What part? What I mean is, that while both extremists and regular muslims believe in Allah and handle in his name, the extremists have a different (fucked up) view. That is why I say that they don't have the same God. Technically, yes, they do have the same God. All Muslims honour one Allah, but I hope you get my point.

Yep then I misunderstood.. My apologies