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  1. wiewiec

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    Call on there. Any of this things was no good for your country - dead of Floyd or this stupid rioters and shitty festivals of love - there also was dead people and huge abuse of power. When I saw first video of this Chaz/Chop I noticed that white or black are able to do same shit for each other. Yes fuck the police but when some group knock to you're door - who should you ask for help? Normal police or police made by some unknown raper how gives rifle to teenager from his tesla.
     
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    Weird, but okay I guess if you're into that.


    Also, your chanspeak is totally incomprehensible
    Like what does this even mean lmao is this some racist dog whistle or something?
     
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    This thread is wild, this might be the absolute worst ive ever seen on gbatemp. The amount of straight hate and racism without even an attempt to cover it up is incredible.
     
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    Let us hope that they fuck around, then. It's about time a white man got lynched.

    To be clear: If you're justifying this, you're saying that cops should be able to murder people if they act uppity. That's your position. Look what partisan politics has done to you, you absolute freak.

    That's right everybody, Nero says that it's GOOD that cops are empowered to murder people for being uncooperative to their standards! Not cooperating with police is a capital offense in Nero's world!
     
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    have you guys watched the video? he was resisting arrest while high...

    Darth you need mental help dude, saying its about time a white man got lynched...and everything you say is straight fcuked , get help man.
     
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    Oh, you don't like mob justice? You don't like people being killed for the color of their skin? How convenient, now that it's one of your people. What a lark!

    And I would get help, but the 'help' is the mob of scumfucks who murdered a guy calling out for his mother.
     
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    Interesting how people that simply don't support the BLM movement are quick to being labelled a flat out racist. Have you given the thought that maybe there's people that find the reasoning of the demands by said movement and their overall behaviour as unreasonable or illogical?

    Just because a person doesn't share your ideology doesn't make said person automatically racist.
    It's a very close minded thing, and people should really stop calling everyone who doesn't agree with you nor share your same ideology a racist or facist, and if you do, then perhaps the person making said statement is the very own thing they so much love to hate.
     
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  8. Darth Meteos

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    Okay, so let's do a li'l looksee at your ideology, then, if you're gonna fingerwag.

    1) Do you think police should be able to murder civilians without a threat to their life?
    2) Do you think police should be able to ignore the cries for mercy from people who are restrained?
    3) Do you think police should be armed when responding to non-violent crimes, or even regular calls for mental health?
    4) Do you think there should be a widespread defunding of the police in tandem with a restructuring of how we respond to non-violent calls?
    5) Do you think police should be subject to an independent investigation when they discharge a potentially lethal weapon?
    6) Do you think that oversight and regulation should be applied to police training, and independent reviews should be undertaken to ensure accountability?
    7) Do you think that the current police should be phased out, and a new crop of individuals with better training should be built up to replace them?
    8) Do you think that off-duty police officers discovered to be engaging in hateful rhetoric towards any part of the citizenry should result in an independent investigation and retraining of the police officer?
    9) Do you think that police should be subject to regular training on non-violent resolutions of conflict, and be held to that standard outside of direct threats to their life?
    10) Do you think that a retroactive review of police violence should be undertaken by an independent body to determine if previous verdicts were unjust?

    Let's see what you're like without the mask of tone policing the conversation.

    EDIT: This applies to everyone here, take the quiz! Let's all have a chat about how we're going to solve the situation that led to this man being murdered.
     
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    Did you just assume his ethnicity? You Bigot!
     
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  10. Darth Meteos

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    If they're black I'll amend it to something less baity, but the thrust of the point remains the same. It's a good bet that a Canadian is white, less than 3% of them are black. I'll take the gamble.
     
  11. ShadowOne333

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    First off, stop putting words I didn't say.
    That's as kindergarden of a move as the next 5 year old in the thread. We are adult enough to tackle a discussion without resorting to that sort of childish "shaming".

    1) Do you think police should be able to murder civilians without a threat to their life?
    Of course not. Not at a single point I said the killing was justified in this particular case, much less when the aggravant is already handcuffed.

    2) Do you think police should be able to ignore the cries for mercy from people who are restrained?
    So just because someone cries for mercy it should be left off the hook? A person can cry all they want, but if the person is suspect to a crime, cries are of no help nor change the situation, even if a person calls for their mother.

    3) Do you think police should be armed when responding to non-violent crimes, or even regular calls for mental health?
    Yes. Officers need to be armed 24/7 to all kinds of calls. Seems you don't know or haven't got a clue of how the real world goes, and how a "non-violent" call can turn into a massacre. Domestic calls are a clear example of this. Oh, and mental health calls are the most dangerous of them all, of the worst kind to deal with if unarmed or with low numbers of officers on the call.

    4) Do you think there should be a widespread defunding of the police in tandem with a restructuring of how we respond to non-violent calls?
    What would defunding and restructuring do, exactly? Do you think the force just has those rules in place to deal the most damage to citizenship? If you do, then again you have no clue of how the world works. In order for a rule to be followed as proceedure in the force, it's because there has already been a precedent to put it in place. Restructuring the police force with an unarmed "non-violent" task force will end you up with hundreds of officers killed by the month. Good luck keeping order and crime at bay that way.

    5) Do you think police should be subject to an independent investigation when they discharge a potentially lethal weapon?
    This already happens btw. An officer that discharges their weapon is always subject to an investigation. Where do you get the idea that they aren't?

    6) Do you think that oversight and regulation should be applied to police training, and independent reviews should be undertaken to ensure accountability?
    Regulation and oversight to what, precisely? A discharged weapon? See above response if so.

    7) Do you think that the current police should be phased out, and a new crop of individuals with better training should be built up to replace them?
    What kind of utopian "better training" are you speaking of?
    Do you even know how the current basic task force train routine goes to even make such a claim of having better trained individuals?

    8) Do you think that off-duty police officers discovered to be engaging in hateful rhetoric towards any part of the citizenry should result in an independent investigation and retraining of the police officer?
    Hateful rhetoric from whom? The officer or the citizen? If an off-duty officer sees a crime, they can engage either way. Or do you suggest that if a crime ensues they should just pass a blind eye on the situation? Also, I highly doubt the amount of officers doing hateful rhetorics outside of duty, while a possibility, is anything but at the amount of levels the media and movements make it out to be. Officers are under high radars for such behaviour at all times.

    9) Do you think that police should be subject to regular training on non-violent resolutions of conflict, and be held to that standard outside of direct threats to their life?
    I already answered something similar.
    They are trained for all kinds of calls and resolutions. You seem to think a non-violent call will stay that way and everyone will comply happily without hesitance nor resistance. It sounds like a nice sci-fi story but it's not reality. And the "direct threats for their life" thing is just non-existent. The criminal won't shot out that they are going to kill the officer for them to respond back. When a suspect feels threatened, everything goes,

    10) Do you think that a retroactive review of police violence should be subject to an independent investigation to determine if the previous verdicts were unjust?
    Didn't I answer this already like for the 3rd time now?
    All officers undergo an investigation if a case goes south. I really don't understand why some people think this isn't even a thing on the force.

    Outside of that, everyone knows that resisting cooperation or arrest from the authority can end up badly. This is a given. Complying with calm and holding your ground is all that's needed for a 5 min interchange to be dismissed and continue (in cooperation cases). For arrests, it's better to be kept calm at all times and comply as well, if you have nothing to hide, you will be freed up with no charges and no problems.

    Still, I do want to reiterate that the killing in this case was unjustified, and that the officer(s) should be prosecuted, as they are since months now.
    But putting the blame on the entire police force of the whole country for the mistake of one is also unjustified.

    It's just like saying tbat because of a negligence of a doctor killing a patient, the entire medical and health care should be defunded and restructured.
     
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    Mm that's a fail grade, sir. 1/10 is pretty awful. Quite a bit of misinformation in your answers, too.

    See, when I say an independent body, I mean separate from the police system. I'm talking a body that exclusively deals with police infractions that is not police affiliated. You made a lot of answers that seem to misunderstand that point, so I'm gonna give you the chance to reply again to those parts.

    As for the parts about training of police, in America, there's a thing called Warrior training that causes police to be more violent. There's been studies done on the negative effects of this style of training law enforcement, and attempts have been made to curb it. It's time to get it done.

    Otherwise, have a nice day, thank you for completing the survey.
     
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    How am I misinformed, exactly? I have yet to see information on the contrary, and if so, then inform me with factual statements, not ideologies, sentiments nor claims made out of suppositions.

    Also, if you are calling for an independent body outside the police force itself, then why are you calling to make changes to the police in the whole country, when you just stated you want a separate body from them?

    Well, it's not like the police is going to be sent out to deal with kindergarden misunderstandings neither. That's why they are trained a certain way, and I dare disagree that the training is what makes certain officers, that way, but their actual field work.
    The "Warrior" training you mention is applied more to special task forces and the military.
     
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    If you all remember, Chauvin was originally charged with 3rd degree murder, and it was enhanced to 2nd degree by Antifa Keith Ellison. Why? To increase the chance that a jury would not convict Chauvin as-charged, which in turn increases the chance of more riots. Y'all in the hate whitey club are being played.

    This will bother some of you to hear it, but the reality is that pressure on the back of the neck does not restrict breathing. Cops have used this restraint technique for decades. It's ugly, i.e. bad optics, so it has been discontinued in some jurisdictions because the city council doesn't want the headache of ignorant citizen complaints. But Minneapolis wasn't one of those places before this occurred.

    George Floyd had a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system. He probably used often enough that he had a tolerance to those levels. So why did he die? 1) He had also used meth, a stimulant. This excited his bodies systems during the encounter with the police, causing the heart to race, which means the body needs more oxygen, but 2) fentanyl, an opiate more powerful than heroin, causes depression of the involuntary breath response. This is why he was already saying he couldn't breathe before ever being laid on the ground -- because of the fentanyl he literally couldn't breathe, with nobody and nothing coming anywhere near his neck. Floyd needed to breathe more and more, but his brain couldn't turn on the signal to the lungs and diaphragm to make it happen. Asphyxiation is how all heroin and fentanyl OD's die.

    A healthy, unintoxicated person would have survived this. More importantly a healthy, unintoxicated person would've avoided this, by cooperating with the instructions and submitting to the arrest instead of wigging out and going snap-crackle-pop.

    So especially since watching the video, I don't see murder holding up. Maybe it will, simply because the jury will choose to condemn Chauvin regardless of actual culpability, rather than go through more riots. That's a very real possibility. Also likely is that they convict for a lesser charge than "murder" (maybe manslaughter), which will still also probably cause more riots. I'm sure Antifa Keith Ellison had this in mind when he raised the charge against Chauvin to 2nd degree murder. He wants more riots. But murder is not supported by the facts. I think manslaughter is something a reasonable person could agree to. I also think an acquittal is something a reasonable person could agree to, based on Floyd's drugs and freakout being almost entirely responsible for the fact he died. Like I said, a healthy, unintoxicated person would have tolerated this restraint.



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    So the meth addict was whining about not being able to breathe before any of this even started. There goes the entire narrative.
     
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    The Floyd basically killed himself?

    Problem zolved?

    Who are you trying to convince with this, yourselves, or... ;)

    Add a Pepe the frog type meme to it for good measure.

    Feel good reestablished. See - it wasnt police who killed a guy that caused riots. It was the drugs and those unlucky circumstances, and that video, and not the fact that this was the n'th video of a black person being killed in a police chokehold. And the fact that you never sustain a chokehold for 8 minutes...?
     
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    Saying he can't breathe and yet still getting kneed on for about 8mins, doesn't sound better. In fact, that just sounds worse.

    Maybe he would have survived, if he was never kneed down for that long (or not at all), but now we never know.
     
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    Heh...i originally thought this thread was necrobumped, because I saw the footage weeks ago. I don't see much reason to see the whole thing again (I'm not a sadist).

    If I'm honest : anything in the op just strengthens my idea that the protesters are absolutely right in their demands to reform.
    I don't get the reasoning of white people either : it's like they're okay with the police acting as criminals, as long as blacks have more chances of being targeted. Is it so hard to see a benefit of a cop NOT legally allowed to tackle you to the ground for the tiniest possible offence?

    Okay, you haven't watched the footage. How about you go do that before attempting you're smarter than millions of protesters?
     
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    I couldn't barely watch the video either, still, I seen nothing that justifies that knee down. At "best" it is negligence.
     
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    Maybe you did not actually watch the body cam footage then. It only gets bad in my opinion when you get to the end which is ONLY what the media shared for so long. There is much more context set by seeing the whole body cam footage.

    That is why everyone is abuzz about it. It does not change the outcome, but it changes things never the less. Even if a few don't believe so, there have been many more that now are changing their tune and it is clear for many now that we see everything there was no racism involved and Floyd ultimately put himself in the situation that he was in. They were just trying to get him in the back of the car for awhile, in a manner that I don't believe many would consider cruel or harsh. They offered many times to even put down the windows for him in the back of the car.

    And it also establishes the fact that whatever drugs he was on were already impacting his ability to breath long before he was on the ground.

    So correlating this to cops acting like criminals is kind of ignorant.
     
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