1. meangreenie

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    [sarcasm] 100% compatability means nothing obviously if you have to wait an extra 2-3 seconds for the rom to transfer....... obviously (duh.........) [/sarcasm)


    omg this doen't live up to the ds-x !!!! 1111 !!!! 1111 cart... the roms transfer much faster and it doesn't matter if some roms don't work or stutter badly because it's gbatemp 9.5 approved... thumbs up and giant grin (insert sarcasm bracket as you wish)
     
  2. cory1492

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    CronoTrig: that will likely be corrected when they figure out what it is in their OS that is leaving bad data in the DS memory after it exits.


    Alot of people don't seem to get this:
    FAT/FAT32 have access time overhead BECAUSE of possible fragmentation. Most file systems are made that way because the OS's that use it frequently write and rewrite files that change size (cost of speed is less than seeking large enough blocks to contain and move an entire file to when it outgrows it's current allocation).

    DS carts don't write at all - meaning the entire file system never changes (thus fast seek times because the data is always where it is supposed to be - at an offset wrather than a block addressed by a FAT table). Putting a DS file system on a FAT device adds a second file system overhead which has to be accounted for with delays (processor time and seek time), and additional patching if the program running expects the data faster.

    As with GBA games, the data needs to be stored sequentially to be accessed as it if was native to the device (meaning: no time lost seeking fragments). To do this, there are 2 options: use a flash chip and store the data sequentially, with no fragmentation, or, use RAM to copy the data to before using it, so it is available sequentially like the device expects it to be.

    What AceKard apparently does: uses the SD card as if it was the flash chip in a flash cart. It stores the data sequentially with no fragmentation so that the AceKard, when doing it's hardware based address translation, does not have to recalculate for every fragmented block, and does not need an excessively large controller with a higher power draw to do those microsecond consuming seeks (that would crash many games without patching) and feed the correct data to the DS. The price of this is having to manage consecutive free space.

    What this means to the end user: higher compatibility of essentially a flash cart, on a removable/replaceable/upgradeable memory storage device (with much higher write speeds than most types of other flash chips that Chinese manufacturers would use on such a device). All without buying a flash cart per game, without worrying about onboard flash chips failing, with far better non-manufacture supported compatibility (ie: dont need to update because xx game isnt working today) and without having to buy a whole new flash cart when you want to upgrade the amount of memory there is.

    That said, I always ask this question of software that handles flash chips on a page level: how does it account for bad blocks? If my F2A gets a bad block near the beginning, the whole thing is pretty much unusable.

    I think AK is a great idea, and just like SC, M3 or G6 the initial menu software is going to have it's flaws. The fact is, you say the software is buggy - but it has damn high compatibility already considering the bugs (and lack of features; like English in the Chinese version).
     
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    I guess we'll just have to wait and see.


    meangreenie, you realize that people aren't bashing on the AceKard because it takes longer to transfer files, they're bashing it because of the EMPTY SPACE issue, poor file manager, and lack of English support.
     
  4. cory1492

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    Yes, we will. Its a question of whether they will fix it wrather than whether it can be fixed.
     
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    It could very possibly not be fixable. Did you design the AceKard or something, you seem to be quite confident about what you're saying.
     
  6. stinkingbob

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    Tama,

    Basically, you are saying that you would neglect all the problems with the AceKard just because it's claim of being 100% compatible.

    In other words, you would buy a car with busted windows, no doors, no hood or trunk, rusted out body, non working lights, and ripped seats just because it runs and is cheap!!

    For me, I would rather spend a few extrra dollars to make sure I am getting something that works well without any problems.

    Since you think AceKard is so great, go ahead and buy it. But, when you have problems with it, who are you going to go to for help??

    Lets face it, the cons of the card outweigh the pros. Wait unitl the ninja comes out, because realistically, the AceKard just doesn't pass muster.

    BTW, I haven't seen any posts from Costello or Shaun in regards to the games they have tested so far and if any problems were experienced while running the games.

    B.
     
  7. meangreenie

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    ITS oFFICIAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    ACECARD IS THE NEW SUPERCARD... LET THE FUN CONTINUE
    (caps deliberate)


    ...let me guess I bet it has bad battery life too [​IMG]
     
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    I am quite confident in the ideas behind AceKard. I also understand how touchy alot of the stuff around download/play and cart encryption is with regards to the proper data being in the DS memory.

    Am I going to run out and buy one? Nope. Good ideas, believe it or not, can be implemented badly (like not fixing dl/play or the ROM manager's bugs). But it is also why I am waiting on others who got review devices as well as something other than what appears to be Alpha phase software wrather than looking for vague reasons to bash a device I have never seen before.
     
  9. tama_mog

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    First of all, don't compare this to a car because it's a totally different story and I happen to be an enthusiast. 2nd, none of these flashcarts are overpriced as far as I'm concerned in terms of price. Hell even if they're 50% compatible they're worth $$ to buy multiple ones to run certain games, because why? It's obvious, check prices of DS games. It's all for convenience for me. I'm buying one to test it out for myself, I already have plenty of flashcarts I could use (1 m3 sd, 3 m3 lites, 2 supercard lites, 2 g6 3rd gens). If you notice I don't cry and scream on any forums if I need "help" with a product, I try to search around and see if I could read something that might help and I happen to read chinese, so I make frequent visits to China for business so support could be different for me compared to you. You guys are all just too quick on dismissing a card's potential due to preliminary bugs. Pricing is not an option to me, I could care less, I just want something that performs and excuse me for being optimistic about a potentially nice product down the line.
     
  10. meangreenie

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    Any one else wondering why a cart

    ... that can only be beaten by one cart in down-load and play (possibly fixable, more likely not)


    ..but is the ONLY 100% compatable cart that play all ds roms and beats every other cart around without EXCEPTION.


    is subject to such ridicule and general meh ?

    boo boys make the acecard you're new supercard, to hate and loathe and bash in any concievable way...make sure you point out any weakness while completely dismissing anything that might make it look ok.. it's the natural order of things...obviously... do you're duty boo boys and lets completely destroy this cart before it gets off the ground... these are you're orders, now you're gbatemp allegiance demands you perform you're duty ... all hail ds-x9.5
     
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    Defending the AceKard with false claims and information is just as bad as bashing it with false claims and information. You should also work on proper English, I couldn't understand most of what you typed.
     
  12. Costello

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    Hey some people are taking this too seriously.

    actually... from our first impressions it does drain battery life rather quickly.
    we need to confirm this by making more accurate tests!
     
  13. trebus

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    Of course, AceKard as it seems now doesn't look so good. But the idea is there. The Potential is there. Remember Supercard when it came out? it was buggy but with a dedicated team they made it what it is today. AceKard has potential to fix these flaws because most of the problems are not in the hardware but software. I will not buy one, but I will wait and see how it progresses. I'm willing to bet if the team is dedicated enough these flaws would be fixed in the coming months. Also remember that since it has 100% compatibility other than download play, the team only needs to work on the software and improve the interface rather than work on making each and every game work when new releases comes like M3 and Supercard.

    If you take a look at Supercard reviews here you can see them getting a 7 score because some GBA games can't run and some problems but now it can easily get a 8.5 and more due to the progress. If you want to bash the AceKard, then do so but I am defending the potential it has, the idea behind should not be bashed.

    P.S. I noticed that by using Kingston and PNY, the cheapest Micro SD cards for the fastest performance. That is opposite of the other cards like spending a lot more to get Sandisk Ultra 2 for better performance. So in other words with less money you get better performance?
     
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    Geez guys get some new hobbies would you? You're flaming and defending FLASH KITS made in Chinese sweat shops for fuck sake! [​IMG]
     
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    Tama,

    You wrote:
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    I happen to read chinese, so I make frequent visits to China for business so support could be different for me compared to you. You guys are all just too quick on dismissing a card's potential due to preliminary bugs.
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    You have an advantage over us non-Chinese gamers in that you can read and understand
    Mandarin/Cantonese, plus, you make frequent trips to China which none of us can do. And, as you said, you are wealthy. So, your comments don't really hold water for the rest of us gamers.
    Bottomline is that if you are going to send over a preview unit to a reviewer, you should make sure that it reflets very closely to what the end product will do. Note that no one has said that the software being in Chinese was a negative. We understand that it will get xlated(hopefully). Our gripes are with the problems that Costello and Shaun are experiencing with it so far. Note that thye have had a day to fool around with the AceKard and it seems like they are continusoulsy finding problems with it. Regular gamers like us who can't spend hours trying to debug something to get it to work just don't see a real advantage to the card.
    I'd rather spend my time playing than trying to figure out out to get around a system error.
     
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    I'm thinking about the gaps thing, and it reminds of the flash linker days (with Littlewriter). I have a question.

    How easy is it to backup your saves and upload your saves to the card (with the game)? If this is easy to do then reconstucting a card isn't that big of a deal to me (supercard can be so slow to patch roms anyway), if its difficult this would turn me away from Acekard.
     
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    Lastest akmenu.nds version 1.04
    ALL games work fine until now with using PNY microsd 1G and kingston microsd 1G(PNY OEM) (IMPORTANT)
    Don't using FAT, Using AKSF which is the special file system for AceKard
    Don't support most of Homebrew software except MoonShell

    http://wiki.scorpei.com/index.php/AceKard_compatibility_list
     
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    I can agree with that, that it shuold be tailored for the average joe in terms of operation. I'll also say that DS-X has done well so far since launch in general being that slot1 cards (ones that are worth anything @ least) are relatively new. However, I do not think any of the new slot 1 devices that are hastily being hashed out from different Chinese manufacturers are going to be as problem free as people like it to be immediately (trust me, I know this from too much experience dealing with Chinese manufacturing). It's going to take time through firmware/software revisions to get the job done right and none of the slot 1 cards (to be fair) really has had the time/refinement that's went into slot 2 cards. I disagree about the regular gamer bit you're putting out, because if you're a regular gamer, you should be proceeding to buy the games in stores instead of hitting up roms to run in flashcarts. I still think this product if given the right attention and opportunity, will shine through time but like I said earlier, only time will tell, no one here is a prophet in any sense.
     
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    lol [​IMG]
     
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    Actually, wee arent flaming. Its just that some people are saying that the AceKard is the best thing to happen since the vcr, even with all its flaws.
    It may be 100% compatible but still, the problems that Shaun and Costello have experienced with it, doesn't justify in my opinion, someone going out to buy it when there is the perfectly well working DS-X.
    Tama, you are correct. Given time, I am sure that whomever may perfect the software. But the question is when. Why release a product that is half-working. It reminds me of some game companies that knowingly released buggy software and then fixed things up little by little via patches.
    The thing is, they made the consumer, their free beta testers. And you see, this is what Costello and Shaun are doing. Beta testing this product for free for this company, when the company should have did this themselves.
    What is going to happen is that they will read Shauns review which wil list all the problems encountered and then they will try to fix them. Pretty smart on the company. Got free technical advice. Of course, that is, if the Company really cares. I mean, if this product costs $40, I doubt they will want to recode it and make it better. Well, lets see.....
     
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