Hacking Gateway 3DS working on the New Nintendo 3DS.

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For anyone interested in DS games on the new update (or blue card getting updated), I'll quote myself from this thread.
Yeah I read the same thing.

So they're actually .. Downclocking the "Nintendo DS Chip" to play GBA Games. :P
Actually, there is no DS hardware soldered on the 3DS board.
Seems like DS mode acts like virtual box, in the sense that anything that runs inside the computer you simulate, won't affect the 3DS itself (Part of a reason we run antivirus tests in virtual box).
If that's the case, all that DSTWO has to do is reprogram the virtual machine that Nintendo set up so it allows you to perform anything else with the remaining memory and CPU.
My guess is, they will search for a way to redirect NAND calls to the SD, sort of like Gateway.
This. It's virtualization and not emulation.

Basically there are 4 ways nintendo could have handled things the way they did... Emulation, virtualization, native, or hardware locking.

Native would be a DS game running as if it were a 3ds game. Nintendo wouldn't do this because of the fact that the original DS protection is terribly broken and it would be have a negative impact on compatibility (running games too fast, broken timings, etc)

Emulation would require software (everything, or at least almost everything done via CPU) translation of all CPU/GPU/Timings/etc. This would be needlessly complex and a very big battery drain and may not even be feasible given how little we know about the 3DS' true hardware. It also leads to unnecessary compatibility issues (since the hardware is so similar anyways)

Hardware locking would be much like how the Wii plays gamecube games... It basically restarts the system in a 'compatibility' mode where the Wii hardware is locked out and the GPU/CPU are underclocked to match the cube. Theoretically perfect simulation, but then lacks all wii features.

Virtualization is thus the best choice and is kind of a combination between the two above methods. Both the hardware and software have to be designed with it in mind... The software basically sets up a "computer in a computer". The innie (in this case the DS) lacks any ability to interact with the outtie (in this case, the 3DS) while the hardware is designed to be able to split work between the two tasks. This allows you to have an actual 3ds menu while playing DS titles... While without the system being hacked to be sure, we can assume that the reason why most of the regular 3ds features are probably disabled to insure proper timings inside the VM DS, or that certain features of the CPU which are necessary for certain other functions (like wifi controller on DS) are locked to the VM so there is no resource conflict leading to an ugly screen of death.
 

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For anyone interested in DS games on the new update (or blue card getting updated), I'll quote myself from this thread.



In that forum, which I just read, the chinese ppl over there are highly doubting the information about DSTWO+. Also I saw this thread with this topic in the official DSTWO forum and well, they say that in its current state its just a rumor.
 
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In that forum, which I just read, the chinese ppl over there are highly doubting the information about DSTWO+. Also I saw this thread with this topic in the official DSTWO forum and well, they say that in its current state its just a rumor.
Yes, but does it matter where the info was posted? Either way the source about DS mode is not from the DSTWO thread. Click the small arrow to get a look.
 

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Yes, but does it matter where the info was posted? Either way the source about DS mode is not from the DSTWO thread. Click the small arrow to get a look.

So the 3DS doesn't have 2 GPU, one for the DS Mode and another for the 3DS Mode? I read something like that a while back but I was never really interested in using the 3DS to play DS games.
 

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Aw man, my gateway just got here! Now comes the long wait for the update... Also, how hard is it to update? Is it just drag and drop?
 

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chinese crazy peoples said release is in the morning chinese time...
but crazy chinese people are crazy we dont know :D
Well they are not wrong last time the guessed a release.
It just happened to to be a update for 4.5 users

Who are these clairvoyant "chinese crazy preoples" and where did they post a prediction that it would be released in the morning of the chinese timezone?
 
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Who are these clairvoyant "chinese crazy preoples" and where did they post a prediction that it would be released in the morning of the chinese timezone?

I think there was a link a little before page 250.

I was joking more than anything, although they did happen to be right in their guess.
Yet if I guess everyday that the update comes out tomorrow I am bound to be right sooner or late
 
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Yeah, if it takes no hardware it can't be that bad. Hell, might even be easier than the original method. We might not even need the blue card now.

That's pretty much a certainty at this point. The new support for 9.2 would automatically mean their new entry point won't involve the blue cart since the blue cart doesn't boot on 9.2 anyways.

It may be a little while before they update their "fw 4.5" support to use the new exploit, so don't toss the blue cart just yet. If you are already on a FW that won't boot it (like 9.2), then you won't need it. Then you're free to sell it off.

When I get my Gateway, I'll have no practical use for it. I already have a R4 for my DS Lite and the Blue cart won't boot on my 9.2 3DS. So I might as well try and resale that or something... :P
 

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I think there was a link a little before page 250.

I was joking more than anything, although they did happen to be right in their guess.
Yet if I guess everyday that the update comes out tomorrow I am bound to be right sooner or late


Hmmm.....now that I think about.....haven't I seen you before on another forum regarding a request? Or is it just my imagination?

......oh well, anyho, this reminds me of something somebody said about the update being out on the 21st of December.
 

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Hmmm.....now that I think about.....haven't I seen you before on another forum regarding a request? Or is it just my imagination?

......oh well, anyho, this reminds me of something somebody said about the update being out on the 21st of December.

I do not know maybe, nothing comes to mind in terms of a request...

At the end of the day though no one really knows how soon is "soon" XD
 

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I do not know maybe, nothing comes to mind in terms of a request...

At the end of the day though no one really knows how soon is "soon" XD
Welcome to coming soon town, population: all non 4.5 gateway owners.
I hope they release it in the Chinese morning though.
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i'm pretty sure it will be released next week for christmas or the last week of december for New year's eve since they said a month is reasonable and not anymore
 
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