Hacking Gateway 3DS working on the New Nintendo 3DS.

[Darth Meteos]

Its not nice to know you're allowing piracy but you'd just have to take the least costly option.

In addition to the extra consoles bought pirates generate. I bought a N3DS purely because Gateway said they could hack it, I would've stayed on my XL otherwise.

 

[guitarheroknight]

Lighten up boys, GW is coming!

 

[Deleted-355425]

with the Playstation 1 they sold the consoles at a loss to make up their revenue through software, cheap console... expensive games. This is where piracy kills a console off. I think because pirates make up such a small figure of the end users it hasnt really caused too many problems for the big Console creators. edit: yet

 

[prototech]

Just to keep the hype train going, SonyUSA had mentioned that he received an email from Gateway stating that they were uploading everything to their servers and doing final testing, which is where one of the 48hr time frames came from. It seems that garyopa got the same email, if not one very similar, because he also mentioned the 48hr window. If garyopa is hosting the site where Gateway stores their files then I think this all makes sense. Garyopa should know when everything is being uploaded and readied up, so as long as it all works as expected then we really should be mere hours away at this point.

 

[tony_2018]

You've done it now, you've called out Ho Nam and his boys. For the honor of Hung Hing, I've got no choice but to come out from hiding and make a post. Never thought this day would come.

This may be my first wall. But I have no choice. This is a topic that hits very close to home for me. The effect of piracy on consoles, and the eradication of loss leader hardware sales trend by Nintendo.

First of all you are partly right, there was once and era when Console manufacturers derived their entire business motto on software Royalty, and would gladly take huge losses in selling loss leader consoles to generate a massive userbase to generate massive software royalties. But sadly thanks to Nintendo, this era is gone.

From the onset of the Wii into the console wars, Nintendo became the poster child for the new generation of the console business, where by hardware sales actually generate massive profit and this motto has migrated over to this current gen, where both Sony and MS opted to release inferior hardware barely able to push 1080p nevermind 4K or anything remotely next gen in order to profit in hardware sales. Since Wii, console manufacturers have given up the loss leader motto and have adopted to Nintendo's hardware sales motto of business, where-by multiple iterations of a single hardware line are designed to generate massive revenue on hardware sales. So, the days where consoles manufacturers lost money or barely break even on consoles sales are long past us, nowadays every console sold is money in the bank, which in turn result in poor hardware performance from one generation to another.

How does piracy play a role in all this? And why is that Nintendo is knowingly placing hackable firmware on New European units that are just entering the market? Simple, piracy helps increase userbase, and thus increases bottomline, and increase the console's marketability and store shelf space.

Wii, PSP, DS, 3DS all saw very early scene-homebrew penetration and it is not by sheer coincidence that all of these consoles saw very high market penetration.

You need look no further thand 3DS vs PS Vita. The Vita to this day has not been fully hacked, and it's measely little 9million userbase reflects that. 3DS with its whopping 48million userbase benefits from the it's early scene penetration (piracy). Like it or not, there are certain markets out there that are almost completely driven by piracy, and Nintendo knows this, and because they make money from hardware sales, they can even be said to embrace it.

At the end of the day, the only people hurt by piracy are the game developers whose entire business motto is driven by software sales. The console manufacturers especially Nintendo are not heavily effected since they've all adapted their business to be hardware driven since the last gen. Nintendo started this trend, and know how to work it better than anyone, it's no surprise that their consoles are always to first to be hacked, and certainly no surprise that they will knowly release a exploitable firmware in a new territory.

End of wall.

Welcome!!!

 

[KSP]

Right, let's start by saying that I'm glad someone is actually knowledgeable about true hacking scenes here, I'm going to have fun talking with you! While you are mostly correct, Nintendo still suffers when piracy comes twofold. As you said, piracy hurts game developers, which pushes away potential 3rd party developers who may be considering making a game for the 3DS. Who's going to make a game for a 39 million customer userbase, about 1/4th of which owns a piracy device for it? Also, you can look around at some articles, Nintendo is only selling at a SLIGHT profit hardware wise. Businesses take money to run. Say the 3DS is their only product, and everyone pirates... They would go under in mere months.

Of coure Nintendo has a vested interest in software sales, so does Sony and MS, but they are no longer reliant on it as in previous gens when they took a loss on hardware. But the first rule of software sales is userbase, without a massive userbase you will lose third party support with or without piracy, not only that you lose retailer support when you have no userbase. PS Vita has no piracy, but because it has so little market penetration, it loses third party support and retailers support. What good is a piracy free system, when nobody will make games for it or even bother selling games for it, its no surprise that N. American retailers and running away from PS Vita like Ebola. You walk into any store and you may find 1 or 2 games for Vita and an entire shelf full of games for 3DS even though 3DS is heavily pirated.

You need look no further than Wii to see that piracy does not completely kill software sales, stores keep Wii games even to this day, because of the sheer userbase.

At the end of the day, the consoles wars are won and lost on userbase and game developers really only care about a console's userbase when it comes to support. As powerful and as piracy free as the PS Vta is, it will never become as popular as the PSP, simple put piracy helps push hardware, and in turn helps maintain the lifespan of a console. But this really only applies for supplementary consoles, like handhelds, because main consoles like PS4 and Xbox One are gonna be bought regardless, by its core fanbase. But as handhelds become less and less useful, with the advent of super smart phones and tablets, piracy has in and odd way become a friend rather than a foe.

Now, I'm gonna go back to my hole and hide for a while.

 

[torneoswifi]

Based on that maxconsole screenshot.

in which? image please?

 

[Kikirini]

Well, my Gateway should be delivered tomorrow. Maybe my dream of setting it up and playing it immediately will come true after all.

 

[The_Time_Is_Nigh]

In addition to the extra consoles bought pirates generate. I bought a N3DS purely because Gateway said they could hack it, I would've stayed on my XL otherwise.

Not trying to call you out, but people need to stop using this. Once you have your Gateway, you're really not going to buy any more games unless you want online and it's acting finicky with the Gateway. Let's go to a SUPER extreme to illustrate this point, let's say every single person on the earth buys a New 3DS, and let's say that Nintendo makes a profit of about $25 per New 3DS (closer than reality than anyone really wants to mention...) This gives us $175,000,000,000 in profit. Nice. Let's all go home billionaires! Except that it takes money to run that business. Because they own legitimate consoles, everyone gets free tech support, and cheap repairs/replacements. So... Just right off the bat, we can assume about half of those people will take advantage of one of those services at some point in the consoles lifetime, so let's cut that in half, yeah? About $12.50 made per console at this point, and $87,500,000,000 in profit. Now, to support everyone in the world, it's going to be EXPENSIVE. Let's assume about $1/person that owns the console, per month for paying support wages, etc. Your money would be eaten through in slightly less than a year.

Obviously this is rough, not based completely in actually business numbers, and not always accurate in practice, but you can see my point. Buying the console is doing Nintendo no favors, you have to buy the games, buy DLC, buy E-Shop things to keep Nintendo afloat. Yes, of course it drives up console purchases, which is good, and will probably make people buy at least one game during the life-cycle of the console, but ultimately, the existence of flashcards is negative. 3rd party devs being willing to make games for a console drives a lot of purchases as well, without harming the life of the unit!

Snip.

Thanks for chatting with me, mate! PM me any time and we can discuss the game scene.

 

[Ritchie555]

I wish ya'd all quit it with the Animated Gifs, yer killin ma bloody RDP session.

 

[codychaosx]

Just to keep the hype train going, SonyUSA had mentioned that he received an email from Gateway stating that they were uploading everything to their servers and doing final testing, which is where one of the 48hr time frames came from. It seems that garyopa got the same email, if not one very similar, because he also mentioned the 48hr window. If garyopa is hosting the site where Gateway stores their files then I think this all makes sense. Garyopa should know when everything is being uploaded and readied up, so as long as it all works as expected then we really should be mere hours away at this point.

Yeah all the posts saying gary is just some admin on some forum site is kinda bull.. hes obviously more than that as far as being associated with gateway... but i guess well see how reliable he truly is if its released in his time frame

 

[Samwix]

Guys, could I install CIA games with a console which has a pre-installed game?

 

[Darth Meteos]

Once you have your Gateway, you're really not going to buy any more games unless you want online and it's acting finicky with the Gateway.

This is not true. I consume the media and if I enjoyed it, I'll pick it up at retail. I'm something of a collector, piracy is my 'try before you buy' deal. If I can see it legally, like anime at Crunchy Roll, I will. But I will move heaven and earth to avoid paying for something before I can test it for myself.

 

[VeryCrushed]

Want some opinions on my site design x)

 

[Darth Meteos]

I wish ya'd all quit it with the Animated Gifs, yer killin ma bloody RDP session.

 

[FusionDragon]

Woo! I just bought my Gateway from RealHotStuff.com!

Just had mine delivered from them. Super fast shipping!

 

[bannana2]

If, on Thursday, it is not released, than the French president declares it a national day of mourning. It would make that day ring sooooo true in more than one way.

 

[lemanuel]

Yeah all the posts saying gary is just some admin on some forum site is kinda bull.. hes obviously more than that as far as being associated with gateway... but i guess well see how reliable he truly is if its released in his time frame

He is the admin of the official support forum. That much should be general knowledge.

It is also true that he can more easily be in contact with GW's team due to that. If he has any more perks from their relationship or not, I don't know.

But seriously.. who cares? It's not like it will take much longer to find out if the date given will actually happen or not.

 

[Ritchie555]

Sigh... I asked for that, didn't I.

 

[Darth Meteos]

Want some opinions on my site design x)

Not bad. I liked it well enough. Seems a bit cramped, though.