Discussion in '3DS - Flashcards & Custom Firmwares' started by KaKistoZ, May 29, 2015.

  1. KaKistoZ

    KaKistoZ Newbie

    May 28, 2015
    I didn't see a thread covering this topic directly, but April 30th; Gateway released 3.2.1 Ultra Public Beta.

    Not knowing any better, I updated my 3DS XL FW-version to 9.7.0 (or 9.7.0-25E to be specific), prior to buying the Gateway 3DS flashcart, only discovering afterwards that apparantly there isn't any method yet to downgrade from ANY version above 9.2.

    So being a newbeginner at this stuff, reading all about downgrading and restoring from an earlier system-NAND backup (that I obviously don't have), and discovering that Gateway presented their newest version only recently; I wonder:
    1. Is it now possible for me to downgrade with the Gateway-cartridge?
    2. If not: is there another method for me to downgrade?
    3. Or; is it possible to restore from a system NAND-backup from another, identical system, if such were to be found available for download from internet?
    4. Or even better: is there a workaround to make Gateway work with my current version?
    5. If none of the above: is there a solution currently being worked on for us poor souls that updated higher than version 9.2, and if so; how long till it's estimated release?
    Really hoping someone could shed some light on this for me. I'm beyond desperate...
  2. zoogie

    zoogie simple pimp tool

    Nov 30, 2014
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    Christ, you made me think a new release was out for a second.
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  3. SuongTu

    SuongTu Member

    Nov 23, 2011
    let me fill in the blanks
    1. No
    2. there is currently no other method
    3. no it would be hard mod as other threads stated
    4. there is currently no work around
    5. no, your only solution is Sky3DS
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  4. thaikhoa

    thaikhoa GBAtemp Maniac

    Sep 16, 2008
    1-2-3. Your 3DS's sysnand is 9.7 so there's only a way to downgrade is HARD-MOD if you have a backup of exploitable firmware of YOUR 3DS.
    4. We clearly don't/won't know what's the next stuff GW is working for.
    5. You can buy a copy of Cubic Ninja and enjoy regionFour if you'd like to play other region games. OR sell your GW flashcart and replace with Sky3DS.
  5. Lacius

    Lacius GBAtemp Guru

    May 11, 2008
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  6. Tomy Sakazaki

    Tomy Sakazaki GBAtemp Advanced Fan

    Oct 23, 2006
    1 - No, that would require new kernel exploits that weren't found or publicly available.
    2 - No, same as 1.
    3 - Not yet, no ETA for this kind of hack (and AFAIK, only the PSP let you recreate the installation of it's firmware, no other console have this kind of hack)
    4 - No, same as 1.
    5 - No public information about this AFAIK.

    If you really want to play your warez, you have to get a Sky3DS but you won't be able to run 3DS Ware, homebrews (maybe something if smea launch a new ninjhax and you run a Cubic Ninja ROM) or hacked ROMs. And unless I'm wrong, on 9.7 you can't do region free with only the sky 3ds.

    [EDIT] Boy, I'm very slow.
  7. KaKistoZ

    KaKistoZ Newbie

    May 28, 2015
    Wow... I'm truly fascinated by how negative the replies are. This can't possibly be the end of Gateway? If Sky3DS can do it, then surely Gateway can figure out a new exploit similar to the ones used by Sky3DS? I deliberately went with Gateway because I got the impression that it was definitely the better flashcart among it's rivals, and that Sky3DS was soon to die out...? Confused... Just spent alot of money on a product that apparently seems useless... :(
  8. sonic2756

    sonic2756 Friendly Neighborhood Wolf

    Feb 3, 2010
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    The clickbait is real.
  9. dubbz82

    dubbz82 GBAtemp Advanced Maniac

    Feb 2, 2014
    United States

    Sky3DS acts as a clone of a cartridge. The way the gateway was designed, I don't think it can be used in the same manner. Until if/when another exploit comes along, the best you can hope for is 9.7 emunand, while running a lower sysnand firmware (at least for the time being - this could change today, tomorrow, next month, next year, or never).
  10. xBleedingSoulx

    xBleedingSoulx GBAtemp Advanced Fan

    Sep 20, 2007
    United Kingdom
    Barnsley, England
    Sell your 3DS and buy one on a lower firmware. For the love of God, do not update beyond 9.2.
  11. tony_2018

    tony_2018 GBAtemp Psycho!

    Jan 3, 2014
    United States
    How is it you update to a firmware you didn't confirm to be compatible with 3.2.1? I mean shit dude its clear as day, CLEAR.
  12. Typhin

    Typhin GBAtemp Fan

    Jan 30, 2008
    United States
    While these have already been answered, I thought I might try to give a bit more information.

    The system NAND is encrypted for each specific console. It is impossible to create a NAND that will work on your system without having access to Nintendo's private keys. If you have a backup from your specific console, that can be written to the internal memory, but that's it.

    Unfortunately, there has not been found an exploit that's useable past 9.2 that allows Gateway to run. Sky3DS works differently, by copying a retail card as completely as possible. Gateway hooks into the system, patching the firmware, disabling signature checks, and allowing commands and data to be sent to and received from the Gateway card, which is why it has more requirements. While I'm sure the Gateway team (and plenty of others) are looking for new exploits, it can't be predicted when or if one will be found. Until something is found, there isn't really any news/progress to report, and once one is found, it'll be released pretty much the moment it's ready. I wouldn't say it's "the end of Gateway" by any means, there was a long delay before anything above 4.5 was exploitable.

    Many of the replies are "negative" mostly because they're short. These are similar questions asked many times, so it's natural to want to not say the same thing over and over again. Especially asking about the release of a new exploit, since there is no information, and there cannot be an estimated release timeframe by its very nature. I'm not sure why you purchased a Gateway if you were already on an unsupported System Version, and did not ask these questions before buying, but what's done is done.

    For the time being, your best bet is the Sky3DS, or the purchase of a different system on a lower System Version. If you know someone who is looking to buy one and doesn't care about using a Gateway, you could arrange a swap with them, most likely. I believe all new consoles at this time are still coming at or below 9.2 (though I could be mistaken). You might also be able to sell your Gateway, if all else fails. Those are the options that come to my mind, but you will know your situation better than I can. I hope you have better luck in the future.
  13. Ericss

    Ericss GBAtemp Fan

    Sep 1, 2010
    United States
    You bought a GW and didn't bother reading about it first? Dear Lord. FW support is the very first thing to get informed about when one wants to pirate or hack a console.
  14. VashTS

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    i want to know how gateways downgrade works...i dont think that uses system specific keys. makes me think it can be flashed via hardware somehow.
  15. SickPuppy

    SickPuppy New Member

    Jul 29, 2009
    United States
    I found it for you.

    You want my opinion, If using a gateway is important to you then the best thing you can do is get another 3DS that has a compatible firmware, there is no telling if there will ever be another exploit to get Gateway working with newer firmwares.
  16. mech

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    Oct 26, 2014
  17. Typhin

    Typhin GBAtemp Fan

    Jan 30, 2008
    United States
    I'm a bit curious about that myself. My guess is that it's essentially a collection of CIAs, installed the same way a normal system update would be, so it would require the system to be running properly in order to be able to install. In that case, it wouldn't be useful in generating a flashable NAND for a bricked system, since the system wouldn't be running in order to properly encrypt the new files.
  18. Ritchie555

    Ritchie555 GBAtemp Regular

    Aug 7, 2006
    What u a stalker or sommit?
    Too late for this console, but there is ONLY ONE circumstance you'd ever update sysnand. And that's if an exploit was found in a FW higher than yours. e.g. My original 3DS was on FW 2 and exploit was in FW 4.1 I bought the game with 4.1 firmware update on it.

    Otherwise, by default: NEVER EVER EVER Update your sysnand.


    There's always a chance a new game (or old one) may have an undiscovered exploit though. They may even screw up FW10. You never know in this business.