Gaming Gamespot gives MP3 an 8.5

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Yep that's fair enough platypus at least you've played it.

I'm not saying bioshock is anything like metroid it's two different typse of genres.

I think it has heaps more weapons compared to most FPS's and they all felt different. Not like games where half the guns feel the same.

surprising that you didn't enjoy it at all I found it to be not overrated in the slightest, I guess different people like different games
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I think it has heaps more weapons compared to most FPS's and they all felt different. Not like games where half the guns feel the same.

I remember back in the N64 days when Perfect Dark had like 40 different weapons lol. And all of them felt unique. Someone SERIOUSLY needs to remake that with online play. Perfect Dark Zero failed lol.
 

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QUOTE said:
I agree more with GS than IGN for the moment. So far, MP1 remain my favourite on the serie. In 1 you weren't told to "go there", "do that", "you can't destroy that with your current equipment"...

That's just flat out wrong.

Yes, it did. Metroid Prime 1 features the same hint system that tells you where to go next and a notification if you try to bring down a door shield with the wrong weapon. Trust me, I just played it yesterday, launched a missile at a door and it said "door cannot be opened with that weapon."

I JUST got the plasma beam in Prime 1 yesterday, and the hint system guided me there.
 

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I used to listen to the Gamespot podcast, but stopped because I found that my taste and theres were nowhere in the same ballpark. Most of the games I love more than any others, they find mediocre. I find I have much similar tastes to the much better dudes at IGN.
 

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As a result of this thread discussion I've read the GS and IGN reviews to compare them. Please note that I was prepared to love this game, played through Prime 1 for the first time this summer, and started Prime 2 immediately afterwards but was kind of "Primed" out by that time so didn't get too far in it. I have played enough of Prime to form an opinion on the gameplay (through that "first hour").

The IGN review seems more like they went into the game with some met expectations and were pleased by them. The review says what the game is and makes no apologies for their thoughts. When they thought something was better the old way, they said so, but when it was better this time they said so too. When comparing the game to other games available now they didn't apologize for the Wiis power, but were honest about the graphics while appropriately praising the artistic development (which has always been more important to me anyway).

The GS review kept reading like they kept wanting to say "but...." the entire time. "This was really great, but...". It was like the reviewer hated every minute of the game but felt obligated to give it a score that would be acceptable to the public. Even when they said full out praise it was said in such a way that left reservations about it. I didn't get a sense of honesty about the review at all. In that way it was brilliantly written; anyone reading the review would go "sounds like a good game but there must be better stuff out there for me to play."

Those are my thoughts. Scores aside.
 

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Not sure if anyone wants to bother nore care about it, but GS has always been slanted against Nintendo, wella t least for 10 years now. I have proof too. Using gamerankings.com you can search how a online/print magazine reviews games PER system. If you check this generation (wii, 360, ps3) you will find that Wii games get scored 2% lower than everyone else AND only 40% of their reviews for Wii are higher than the others (as in they come dead last.) The 360 is down by almost 1% and their average is around 50%, but when it's the PS3 they UPreview over other sites by I think 7% and 67% of their reviews are HIGHER than the rest of the sites.

NOW that's documented slant.

That aside though, remember the Zelda review? Remember the video review from that tub of shit Gerstmann? The Zelda review was lower, comments in it were shady and contradictory, and it seemed like they did it just to keep the averages down. And then tubby on Wii Sports, if you saw the video sat on his ass and jerked his wrist like he was beating off to midget porn on the couch instead of trying to wii BOWL with a follow through. He acted bored, unamused, his tone of voice set that and lack of interest was obvious. They obviously seem to care more about highball visuals and massive hardware over quality fun. The metroid review is 100% flip-flop in one paragraph they praise X issue, then a few later slam it for the same.

Watch them give Halo 3 a good 9 or higher...it'll prove the point. They said they partly nailed Metroid into 8 land as it was a sequel that didn't break new ground. Halo 3 while impressive is exactly the same...if IT doesn't get an 8, that'll look really bad and obvious.

...just something to ponder.
 

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Noticed this thanks to Neowin. Somebody on the Gamespot/Gamefaqs forums tore this review apart. She/He picks out specific reasons why I felt the way I do (refer to two posts above)

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Man, I wasn't going to post about this...

Like a lot of other people, I was kind of surprised to see the 8.5, especially given IGN's review and the seeming consensus that this is a top-notch game, and probably Wii's finest thus far. But, hey -- I respect a diversity of opinion, and anyways, most people are right: no sense in whining about the score a game gets when we haven't even played it yet. Right?

But then I read the review and... boy, it submarines this game! I'm sure you've heard the expression "damned by faint praise." The idea being that if you call something "fairly good," "decent," or "passable" it has the same negative effect (and sometimes stronger) than calling it "bad." Well the idea of "faint praise" is too strong for this review. It reads almost as though the reviewer wants the game to fail. Conspiracy-theory much? Yeah, I don't want to go down that road, but let's take a look:

The game is an 8.5, right? That's a high score. Should mean that this is a very good game, right? It is, after all, "a high-quality continuation of the series" with "terrific and intuitive" controls. Now... if this is a high-quality continuation of a series that has thus far scored 9.7 and 9.1, it should be pretty darned good. Yet the remainder of the opening paragraph -- more than half -- starts to run negative, saying that the game "does exactly what you expect it to do, no more and no less." Hmm...

The second paragraph digs in hard, comparing this game to its lauded progenitor: "{w}hile Metroid Prime spectacularly ushered Metroid gameplay into a 3D vision, Corruption is content to be a solid successor." "Content" makes the designers sound lazy, and "solid" isn't a very enthusiastic description. Are 8.5s "solid"? Then, the reviewer assures us that "{we} shouldn't let some spurts of predictability dissuade you from checking it out"... well, I should hope not if it's an 8.5... I mean, that's really good, right? "Terrific and intuitive" controls, right? I mean, why does the reviewer start to sense that his review of this 8.5 game might dissuade us from even checking it out? But he can't even let it rest there... not just anyone should check this out, but "particularly if you are a Metroid enthusiast." Here the review starts to insinuate that the game is good, not just for people who enjoy games like Prime, but for those who are specifically Metroid-people. "Enthusiasts," which is a not-too-subtle euphemism for Fanboys.

The reviewer seemingly cannot compliment the game without immediately following up with some sort of an insult or criticism. Check out this from the fourth paragraph: "The obvious change here is in the controls, and Corruption leaves behind the methodical maneuvering of its GameCube brethren with an intuitive and configurable scheme that sets the standard for first-person shooting controls on the Wii, despite Corruption's battles not being all that challenging." Good God, what a sentence. First, he cheapshots the GameCube with its "methodical maneuvering"... which... I guess... would be roughly equivalent to the methodical maneuvering currently found on all the other consoles, right? Then, he states that this control set-up "sets the standard...on the Wii"! Excuse me, but... why the modifier? Consensus seems to be that this control set-up "sets the standard" period. For the 360. For the PS3. For all of them. Then, and despite the fact that it doesn't strictly relate to the quality of the controls, he ends the sentence by slighting the game's challenge. I won't count them all out to you, but I dare you to comb through the article and take a look at the "compliments" -- they almostalways go hand-in-hand with a slight.

Not that the reviewer needs the excuse of balancing a compliment to slam the game. In the third paragraph, in referencing the idea that the reviewer doesn't plan on spoiling us, he takes a gratuitous pot shot: "(Not that the Prime games have ever strived to set standards for gaming fiction.) " Well, great. What does that mean? That the story's weak? No -- the reviewer wouldn't go so far; his goal is, apparently, to make his review seem positive while infusing it with insults and complaints.

All in all, we learn that the control scheme "{has} been done before, of course," that the game is "without a sense of challenge," and that it is too much a FPS (apparently due to the smooth controls) which "keep{s} it from being as special as the other Prime titles." Indeed, that "Corruption loses some of its sense of wonder and strangeness on the Wii. Rather than being a true action adventure, it's hard to lose the sense that it's merely an FPS with trimmings."

Wow. Now... how do we reconcile the idea that it's lost its "sense of wonder" when the game "features superb art direction, so every level is even more incredible to explore than the last"? Or that it's no longer a "true action adventure" when "you'll need to use your wits as much as you use weapons that turn alien scum into goo" and "{e}nvironmental puzzles are generally as good in Corruption as they've ever been"? Furthermore, how do we reconcile any of these serious criticisms with such a high score?

I guess it doesn't matter, that we don't have to worry ourselves about it, because "any fan ought to enjoy this outing in spite of those quibbles" {read "fan" as Metroid enthusiast}, "[t]he exotic worlds of Corruption will excite series fans" and "{i}f you're a Metroid fan, there's no need to convince you to play Metroid Prime 3: Corruption." In other words, the reviewer is saying that Metroid Fanboys will like this game no matter what...

...but the true point of this review is: if you're not already a "series fan," then despite the 8.5, you don't really need to bother with it.

The review is muddled, self-contradictory, and worse: against my better judgment, I walk away thinking that it sets out to intentionally sabotage the game that it purports to praise (remember: 8.5 is "high"). I don't know why; I can't fathom motive; but it's in the review, if you read it carefully.

I know it's been said before, but, do we even have to speculate that, when Halo 3 comes out, its reviewer will talk about how the game "feels familiar"? Or how Halo's controls don't match up to the industry leader (Metroid Prime 3, for the Wii), as Wii reviews nearly always mention how the graphics just can't compare to those of other systems? Will we be told that it's been "done before"?Of course not. We know Halo 3's review won't have any of that. Maybe this isn't a double standard. But, if it's not a double standard, then I guess I just don't know what "double standard" means.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessag...&topic=37840192
 

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Gamespot is the definition of inconsistant.

What would you think if a friend said, "Zelda? Don't buy that dude, you should get WarioWare. Metroid? Try Mercury Meltdown!" I bet you'd pay him $25 a year for his exclusive opinions.


WarioWare: Smooth Moves Party Game 9.1

Super Paper Mario 3D Platformer 8.8

Mercury Meltdown Revolution Puzzle 8.5

Metroid Prime 3: Corruption Sci-Fi First-Person Shooter 8.5





And what kind of category is "sci-fi first-person shooter"? Mercury Metldown should be under, "Liquid-Metal-Based Puzzle Game"
 

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and they gave yoshis island DS the editors choice award.

I would personally give yoshis island DS a 1/10, the 1 point simply for it's nice title screen.


almost at every forum I go to, I've had to justify why I hate gamespot, everyone is saying that "8.5 is still a good score" blah blah, that's not the point.
 

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It's not a good score by Gamespot's own standards. Gamespot is telling you that you're just as well off buying Mercury Meltdown - and your money is better spent on Paper Mario.

It's ok to have a strict rating system, just be consistant. Don't give party games and remakes 9's if you're pretending to be strict.
 

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Gamespot are just stupid attention whores, rating the best overhyped games that deserve 9+ between 8 and 9, so people go make topics again with "omg, look what gamespot gave!".

And people may not like the type of game, but you can't tell me FIFA2002 is the same quality as Zelda TP. http://www.gamespot.com/reviews.html?type=...all&sortdir=asc
And MMR the same as MP3 http://www.gamespot.com/reviews.html?platf...ore&sortdir=asc

It's just te big big titles that gamespot gives lower then the other reviews, just so we get threads like these again everywhere and they have their attention again...
 

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I still think Gamespot was nice to give it that.
Since they've scrapped the whole multiplayer part of the game that definitely drags down the overall score...
It's so typical, the first good FPS and they don't include multiplayer.. it should have gotten a 6 just for that
 

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Gamespot is the definition of inconsistant.

What would you think if a friend said, "Zelda? Don't buy that dude, you should get WarioWare. Metroid? Try Mercury Meltdown!" I bet you'd pay him $25 a year for his exclusive opinions.


WarioWare: Smooth Moves  Party Game 9.1

Super Paper Mario  3D Platformer 8.8

Mercury Meltdown Revolution  Puzzle 8.5 Â

Metroid Prime 3: Corruption  Sci-Fi First-Person Shooter 8.5


Could not have put it better myself, personally i have lost faith with Gamespot since they rated Metroid Prime Hunters on the DS = 8.6!!! and Yoshis Island 9.1!! Which game has the better graphics that utilises the DS to the fulllest?


Lets see what they give Halo3 (same gameplay as Halo2 but with better graphics ala Metroid 2 --> 3)
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They were hardest on Bioshock, as well.

Bioshock is not a revolution, it's a basic FPS. I know it's not the subject of the thread, but I don't know why everybody loves this game
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Because games like deus ex, system shock and the like didn't have much clones out there. Usually, most FPS's focus on co-op (sometimes, they do not fail at it) or multiplayer (which is the game of choice for pro gamers and nolifers, but not for me).

Gamespot troll their own reviews ("MP3's controls are too good" is a CON?!) , so that most angry nintentards make them publicity, and it ALWAYS works. You Tools.
 

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