Game Freak claims it is not reusing Pokemon models in Sword/Shield

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  1. DeoNaught

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    Idk man, I kinda care about Pokemon, but I don't really care that they are cutting out pokemon, it's their call ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It's just a game
    Unova (and the gen after)has some really weird pokemon they could cut out... I'd be glad if we all forgot about the GARBAGE POKEMON.

    I skipped over the Sun and moon games, and I'm actually thinking of getting back into pokemon with this one.
     
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  2. Reploid

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    Well, why not?
     
  3. GbaNober

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    Lacking Pokemon from the main series behind a mobile app..that's disappointing
     
  4. chaoskagami

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    So, I was thinking about what sort of issue would cause the models to be redone.

    I've thought up another possibility here - and mind, this is just a possibility - perhaps Game Freak evaluated the retexturing process done for Let's GO and decided against redoing textures. I mean, let's be honest. Remaking 800+ textures is a lot of work. Perhaps instead they're using vertex colors and shaders to render the colors? It would explain the need to redo the models (clean lines for the coloring to look right), as well as why textures haven't been mentioned at all by Game Freak themselves. Nvidia processors handle this sort of shading really well compared to previous generations where all they had access to was a shitty embedded GPU. Supposing they're using vertex coloring, the dynamax Pokemon could actually be using a separate model with more loop cuts to make for smoother lines. It still doesn't explain the whole "animations" bit, but it's a distinct possibility.

    I still don't think it's defensible to exclude more than half of existing Pokemon, and I think the criticism they're getting is rightly deserved to a certain extent.

    Yeeeeeaaah, I do kinda get that sentiment. Some of BW's mons were really out there for Pokemon, such that I think half would be better Digimon than Pokemon. I disagree on X/Y, though.
     
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  5. monkeyman4412

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    Darn, I can't come up with something edgy
    https://nintendoeverything.com/full...sident-on-the-lets-go-games-and-2019-entries/
    – “The game will be released for the Switch, but we have kept in mind the ‘hands on’ approach that we’ve had so far. We have also polished the graphics.”
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    Yeah... you don't really want to piss off him... Looks like those with cfw are going to get a more complete experience.
     
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  6. Agusto101

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    Can you stop already? , the game looks decent and fun , maybe it's not the best maybe it doesnt have the DeX and reuse all blablabla, but at the end is only a game , it's not the end of the world of something we are in the homebrew side we are not even to buy it maybe a few will ,so what's the point , When it comes out we will see if the game is really that bad or it only was the people crying like always when obviously they are going to buy it sooner or later.
     
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  7. Unleanone999

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    Gamefreak can be lazy and incompetent as much as they want because they know at the end of the day their pokemon games will sell like hotcakes.
     
  8. Ericthegreat

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    Pretty sure this game was meant for 3ds and is somewhat of a lie, though they very well could have remade all the models.
     
  9. Darth Meteos

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    And here it is, the bottom of the barrel take, ladies and gentlemen. "I don't care, so you shouldn't either."
    Cue the response of "oh, i didn't mean it like that"
    Bullshit. If that's the case, then your argument isn't even an argument.

    This game is a step back. When fans complain, the useful suckers who'll eat anything jump on the people fighting the good fight and throw shit like this at them. "oh but think of gamefreak, it's not that big of a deal, stop the harrassment"
    It's insulting. A core feature of the mainline series is being removed, and it's bad. If it doesn't bother you, congratulations, hope you enjoy Sword and Shield. But attacking us because we won't eat shit and like it? Give me a break.

    I've seen this dumb response, too. It's just a game, why are you so mad? What does "just a game" even mean? Games are a form of media. We critique all other kinds of media, bad movies, bad art, bad music... And there's still the absolute dropkicks there when people are discussing how to get better media by speaking up about it, who say "but guys, it's just [BLANK]. why do you even care?"

    I don't know, maybe I just expect more from the media I consume. I'm investing time and money in it, why wouldn't I actively try and make it the best it can be?
     
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  10. Sheimi

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    Watch, they will sell the pokemon that do not come in a game at several packs of dlc for 24.99USD (It's not true. But if it is, I'd eat a squid).
     
  11. smf

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    So even though it's impossible to judge on circumstantial evidence, you are making a judgement.

    So you definitely won't be happy until they admit something that you've assumed, but have no evidence of. Where are you getting budget and employee figures and how they are being utilized from? Can you post them here so we can come to the same reasoned judgement as you?

    They aren't insulting you & if that is how you feel then it's more about you than them. A lot of pokemon are banned in live tournaments because they are unbalanced, they are just bringing that to the game. People have been complaining, they can't fix it all in one cycle & so they will have to put up with trolls for a while.
     
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  13. rob4

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    No

    for you and your low quality standard maybe

    a simple game that's going to cost the same as Zelda BOTW, Mario Oddysey, The Witcher 3, Horizon Zero Dawn, etc.

    speak for yourself, buying a game is not a requirement to give an opinion, especially for a beloved franchise like pokemon

    if people weren't complaining, we would be stuck with the model of sonic presented in the trailer, without online multiplayer with friends in mario maker 2, and with mediocre media in general. This is called feedback, and modern companies need it to make better products.

    I hope not, my last game bought was pokemon X, and i was really dissapointed of the result, poor quality graphics and performance (the game sucks with 3d), but i kind of lost any hope, if any future entry is developed by game freak.
    If this game were developed by any other studio like Level-5, CDPR, Rockstar or Nintendo, we won't be talking about this, and probably we would have a gigantic game with lots of new features, and maybe a decent online interaction.
    This franchise is so perfect for a MMO, but come on, gamefreak can't give us that, because they are a terrible studio.
     
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  14. Youkai

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    Nah people will still buy it no matter what ...
    I actually didn't buy lots of games like Let's Go because I wasn't happy with what they did but still these games sold way to good to show them anything at all.

    This Time I actually preodered Sword because I for one don't care if there are not all the mons included especially as for me it is completely ridiculous how many freaking pokemons there are already.
    Ash pretty much traveled most of the world in the Original Pokemon then they added some new places where I already was like "why the hell did noone ever think about bringing Pokemon from one place to another" but adding more and more and more withouth making any sense at all anymore was stupid.

    Adding ~10-20 each season would have been enough but they added more then 100 every freakin time, totaly crazy.
    I am actually happy about the move not adding all the Mons.

    Maybe they can add new regions trough DLC including X ammount of missing Pokemons with each new Region.
     
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  15. smf

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    What point are you trying to make. They look different to me. Superficially they look the same, but then what would you expect? You have to be able to recognize it.
     
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  16. Darth Meteos

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    I was saying the line of argument is insulting, not the actions of the developers. I didn't get notified for this one, for some reason, so sorry about the late response.

    EDIT:
    Also, Pokemon being banned in tournaments? You can bring everything that isn't a legendary to official Pokemon tournaments, and those being unbalanced is the point of them, they're gods.

    EDIT 2: Just looked up the current VGC ruleset. Apparently everything except Mythicals are allowed in, now. Jesus christ, I don't even want to see those battles, they'll all have Primal Groudon and Mega Rayquaza as staples.
     
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  17. smf

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    The argument is the action of the developers. What you appear to be saying is that you're insulted because you've decided that they are lying, but maybe you're just wrong?
     
  18. Darth Meteos

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    Here is clarification. I was saying the line of argument by people who hit back against people who are bringing their dissatisfaction to the attention of the developers by using non-arguments is insulting. I am indifferent to the original story, because it has been thoroughly proven to be false and a case of mistranslation.
     
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  19. lordelan

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    Balancing? Balancing only relies on data, in other words: A few integers and scripts.
    Since Su/Mo had all (to that date) existent Pokémon in it, they only had to add the new Pokémon data according to the old one.
    Then why did they start with this Dynamaxing nonsense to begin with?
    That time could have been spent to bring the other Pokémon.
    As a sidenode: Why would they have to create 3D models for all dynamaxed Pokémon? A few as kind of raid bosses and for main story events would have been enough and those are already done I guess.
     
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  20. Pipistrele

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    I mean, what kind of reaction did you really expect over the whole situation? At least some subset of fans took things too far by starting flamewars, spamming hastags in all the related and unrelated places, and in couple cases actual death threats were thrown. Whether national dex removal was a good decision or not is still up to debate (maybe it's laziness, maybe it's a genuine rebalancing attempt - we'll see when the game is done), but Pokemon fandom put itself in a very moronic position with the whole thing, so naturally people are going to criticize their opinions .з.
     
  21. Memoir

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    The elitist toxicity going on here. Oof.
     
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