Fusion GPS testimony released, parts of Trump-Russia dossier confirmed by a Trump campaign source

[Xzi]

http://www.newsweek.com/fusion-gps-testimony-steele-pee-tape-dossier-russia-776223

This gets more juicy almost by the day. IMO the dossier is 100% accurate, it was put together by a former MI6 agent and funded first by Trump's Republican opponents then by the Democrats later. Now we're just waiting for it to be verified bit by bit.

This comes hot on the heels of the release of Michael Wolff's book 'Fire and Fury,' which reveals this administration as almost entirely incompetent. The White House is not having a strong showing so far in 2018.

 

[Costello]

if it turns out to be proven true what impact will it have on anything?
I'd say probably none... if you already support Trump this isn't the kind of thing thats going to put you off, right?

 

[Xzi]

if it turns out to be proven true what impact will it have on anything?
I'd say probably none... if you already support Trump this isn't the kind of thing thats going to put you off, right?

If it's all proven true then there are certainly solid grounds to impeach at that point. Not that I'm expecting the current congress/senate to move on that, but if just a few seats swing Democrat in the mid-term election, the likelihood of impeachment skyrockets. Mueller's investigation will probably complete this year and add fuel to the fire as well.

The loyalty and fervor around Trump remains bewildering to me. Those born in the 70s/80s mostly remember him as a failed infomercial salesman. On top of that, he's now clearly slipping into dementia. Older clips show Trump as much more coherent and focused than he is now.

 

[chrisrlink]

all this will cause is those racist neo nazi's try to overthrow the US government if trump is infact thrown out next year

 

[Xzi]

all this will cause is those racist neo nazi's try to overthrow the US government if trump is infact thrown out next year

Let's be honest: none of them even has the balls to try it, Trump or no. That's suicide by cop/military. Or just cops with military gear. All the alt-right has done is march in the dumbest outfit possible with tiki torches. The one that committed a murder is being made example of.

 

[chrisrlink]

yeah true

 

[Xzi]

Reminds me of way back when that right-wing fringe group took over what was basically a nature center. Pissed me off so much, like those parks employees were part of "big government" or something. The one bright spot was that several people sent them boxes full of dildos after they requested food and other supplies, that made me laugh a lot even though they stayed there a long time and wrecked the place.

 

[hoist20032002]

left wing nuts or right wing nuts... they're all the same conspiracy quacks.

 

[Lacius]

In my opinion, there's already enough evidence of Trump personally obstructing justice to impeach him, but that's not going to happen anytime soon without a Democratic congress since politics are apparently above justice.

With regard to the Mueller investigation, the standards of evidence are going to be unreasonably high with a Republican congress for Trump to get impeached for anything it turns up.

 

[Tigran]

What the difference between a Republican and Isis?


Not a damn thing.

Both want to force their religion on you. Both want to kill millions and both want to alter history to fit their world views.

 

[gman666]

I really don't understand partisanship... Why choose one side when there is so much to gain from the other? Trump's presidency proves that partisanship is an archaic concept that only causes sectionalism.

 

[Tigran]

I really don't understand partisanship... Why choose one side when there is so much to gain from the other? Trump's presidency proves that partisanship is an archaic concept that only causes sectionalism.

Because one side LITTERALY wants to oppress, abuse, and kill thousands of people and then force the remaining people into their belief system.

Or are you saying we shouldn't have said "You know.. Those protesters against Nazi's are just as bad as Nazis."

 

[8BitWonder]

What the difference between a Republican and Isis?


Not a damn thing.

Both want to force their religion on you. Both want to kill millions and both want to alter history to fit their world views.

Bit of an extreme take don't you think? The very vocal extremists don't define the entire party. That goes for the Democratic party as well.

 

[Tigran]

No.. No it's not extremism. Right now it's simple fact.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...civil-rights-protection-gays-lesbians-n787261

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/su...io-s-voter-rolls-navy-vet-has-his-day-n832536

http://www.wlwt.com/article/kentuck...g-to-bible-courses-in-public-schools/10236687 (You sure as hell won't find a school that'll teach the torah or the Qur'an)

And changing our history...

https://www.prindlepost.org/2016/05/removing-slavery-textbooks/

And Republicans are the ones going around with firearms and their "holy book!"


Another issue right here... https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/09/us/teacher-arrested-louisiana.html stopping free speach.

 

[8BitWonder]

No.. No it's not extremism. Right now it's simple fact...

I think you've misunderstood what I said. I'm not saying there are no loonies or crazy republicans. I'm simply saying the extremists (like in any group) are vocal and don't represent the entire party. Labeling everyone in that group a monster because of a few extremes seems pretty unfair. Especially when comparing them to a group like ISIS.
Also (mayhaps I've missed it) I don't see the correlation between your last article and republicans. Care to point it out?

 

[Tigran]

Louisiana is republican territory.


And let me ask you a simple question... How is "Traditional Family Values" not racist or bigotry.

And another simple reason is.. these people Support the ones that are doing this. This is like saying "All the people in Isis doesn't believe their idiology.... They just support it." When you activily support people that are doing things like this.. you agree with it.

If you help a murderer -after- he commits a murder, your still an accessory after the fact. If you sit there and go, "Well sure... He killed that guy.. but that guy should have been a christian." that's nothing but supporting the murderer.

Hell, as much as I hate them, I argue that the neo nazi's DO have the right to hold rallies, but they DON'T have the right to hurt people. And I say the same damn thing to those extremes on the left.

However, I also wonder if there have been anything this bad from the left. (No.. This is a serious question and welcome any information).

 

[8BitWonder]

Louisiana is republican territory.

Right, but is the superintendent of the republican party? (I'm genuinely curious)

And let me ask you a simple question... How is "Traditional Family Values" not racist or bigotry.

Traditional family values can mean a lot of things, since they're not constant from family to family. I would figure at its worst it might imply old gender stereotyping. But that might also just be me looking too closely at it.

And another simple reason is.. these people Support the ones that are doing this. This is like saying "All the people in Isis doesn't believe their idiology.... They just support it." When you actively support people that are doing things like this.. you agree with it.

That's not true by any means. Several republicans don't wholeheartedly embrace everything their representatives stand for. In fact several are pretty split on abortion, gay marriage, and gun ownership rights. Just because you agree with general principles from a party does not mean you agree with all of them, and can freely choose to support another party because they better represent your beliefs.

If you help a murderer -after- he commits a murder, your still an accessory after the fact. If you sit there and go, "Well sure... He killed that guy.. but that guy should have been a christian." that's nothing but supporting the murderer.

You wouldn't help the murderer if he killed a guy, seeing as murder is against that religion's rules.

Hell, as much as I hate them, I argue that the neo nazi's DO have the right to hold rallies, but they DON'T have the right to hurt people. And I say the same damn thing to those extremes on the left.

On this, we agree.

However, I also wonder if there have been anything this bad from the left. (No.. This is a serious question and welcome any information).

To be quite honest, I'm not sure. The worst I can think of might be the frequent presidential bashing (though a lot of it is very deserved).

EDIT: Also, I feel like we're clogging the thread at this point. If you'd like to continue feel free to shoot me a PM.

 

[Joe88]

However, I also wonder if there have been anything this bad from the left. (No.. This is a serious question and welcome any information).

The dallas killing of police officers by a blm sympthizer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers
The batton rouge killing of police officers by black extremist group member https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Baton_Rouge_police_officers
The new york killing of police officers by a blm member https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_killings_of_NYPD_officers
The washington dc shotting of republican law makers by a democrat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Congressional_baseball_shooting

This is excluding all the voilence and property destruction caused by antifa

 

[Xzi]

Evangelicals have become the extreme right-wing cult to watch out for in America. They attached to Trump as soon as they could and they haven't let go. Which naturally means their "morals" and "family values" are made out of wet paper, and they're willing to follow anyone who appeals to their sense of tribalism.

I was surprised the Mormons rejected Trump so fully, I usually equate their level of delusion to Scientologists. Good on 'em for seeing through the game.

The dallas killing of police officers by a blm sympthizer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers
The batton rouge killing of police officers by black extremist group member https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Baton_Rouge_police_officers
The new york killing of police officers by a blm member https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_killings_of_NYPD_officers
The washington dc shotting of republican law makers by a democrat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Congressional_baseball_shooting

This is excluding all the voilence and property destruction caused by antifa

This ignores the fact that BLM and Antifa aren't Democratic groups. BLM has protested Dems, and Antifa are closer to anarchists than Democrats. The alt-right are much more monolithic, and Trump is constantly egging them on. They've been adapted into the Republican party as mainstream by now. Rather, the alt-right might be all that remains of the Republican party after all this is over.

 

[ThisIsDaAccount]

Just as a reminder, impeachment takes 2/3s of the Senate. Even if the Dems win the next election, Trump won't get impeached unless Mueller can prove that Trump personally called Putin and asked him to interfere. That is, unless you can find 20+ Republican senators willing to cross party lines for impeachment, but thsts rare for both sides.

Think about it, we can't even get net neutrality passed. Impeachment has no chance.

It's highly likely we'll have to just ride out Trump's term, and most likely the next one as well because most of Trump's voter base hasn't moved.

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The dallas killing of police officers by a blm sympthizer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers
The batton rouge killing of police officers by black extremist group member https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Baton_Rouge_police_officers
The new york killing of police officers by a blm member https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_killings_of_NYPD_officers
The washington dc shotting of republican law makers by a democrat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Congressional_baseball_shooting

This is excluding all the voilence and property destruction caused by antifa

Just as a sidenote, fuck those guys no matter which side they come from. Murder isn't a partisan issue