Formula 1

[Alexander1970]

Grand Prix of Great Britain

Third Free Practice:

1. Charles Leclerc MCO Ferrari 1:25,905
2. Sebastian Vettel GER Ferrari + 0,026
3. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes 0,049
4. Pierre Gasly FRA Red Bull 0,213
5. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull 0,535
6. Valtteri Bottas FIN Mercedes 0,551
7. Lando Norris GBR McLaren 0,784
8. Nico Hülkenberg GER Renault 1,040
9. Daniel Ricciardo AUS Renault 1,060
10. Alexander Albon THA Toro Rosso 1,071
11. Antonio Giovinazzi ITA Alfa Romeo 1,131
12. Carlos Sainz ESP McLaren 1,201
13. Daniil Kwjat RUS Toro Rosso 1,203
14. Romain Grosjean FRA Haas 1,205
15. Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas 1,370
16. Kimi Räikkönen FIN Alfa Romeo 1,519
17. Lance Stroll CAN Racing Point 1,639
18. Sergio Perez MEX Racing Point 1,693
19. George Russell GBR Williams 3,160
20. Robert Kubica POL Williams 3,545

 

[Alexander1970]

Starting Grid:

1. Valtteri Bottas FIN Mercedes
2. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes
3. Charles Leclerc MCO Ferrari
4. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull
5. Pierre Gasly FRA Red Bull
6. Sebastian Vettel GER Ferrari
7. Daniel Ricciardo AUS Renault
8. Lando Norris GBR McLaren
9. Alexander Albon THA Toro Rosso
10. Nico Hülkenberg GER Renault
11. Antonio Giovinazzi ITA Alfa Romeo
12. Kimi Räikkönen FIN Alfa Romeo
13. Carlos Sainz ESP McLaren
14. Romain Grosjean FRA Haas
15. Sergio Perez MEX Racing Point
16. Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas
17. Daniil Kwjat RUS Toro Rosso
18. Lance Stroll CAN Racing Point
19. George Russell GBR Williams
20. Robert Kubica POL Williams

 

[Qawful]

Not gonna lie, sure glad to see Bottas back on pole. Nothing against Hamilton though, so god damn consistent

 

[Alexander1970]

Not gonna lie, sure glad to see Bottas back on pole. Nothing against Hamilton though, so god damn consistent

Hello.

I am a little surprised,no Honey Badger Fan ?

 

[Qawful]

Hello.

I am a little surprised,no Honey Badger Fan ?

Ohh believe me. Love me some Ricciardo, glad to see him pulling some decent results with that Renault. But as a WDC candidate, I would love to see Bottas win. Vettel seems a bit too far off this year to recover.

Edit: Forgot to add my hello. Didn't know this thread even existed!! Nice to see some fans about

 

[Alexander1970]

Ohh believe me. Love me some Ricciardo, glad to see him pulling some decent results with that Renault. But as a WDC candidate, I would love to see Bottas win. Vettel seems a bit too far off this year to recover.

Seb is sadly on the descending branch.If rumors starts in Formula 1 then they become 98 percent reality.His days on Ferrari are counted after this year.
His contract until 2020 is a patient sheet of paper....

And this is then the chance of your Honey Badger.His LAST presumably.
I would grant it to him and it would close the circle. He was finally always number 2 (behind Vettel + Verstappen and he runs actual danger also behind Hülkenberg.)

 

[Qawful]

Seb is sadly on the descending branch.If rumors starts in Formula 1 then they become 98 percent reality.His days on Ferrari are counted after this year.
His contract until 2020 is a patient sheet of paper....

And this is then the chance of your Honey Badger.His LAST presumably.
I would grant it to him and it would close the circle. He was finally always number 2 (behind Vettel + Verstappen and he runs actual danger also behind Hülkenberg.)

Seb has been not quite himself lately but at the same time I don't see Ferrari letting him go anytime soon. Who else would they recruit for that seat, that will be atleast at similar levels of competitiveness. Unless he retires, i think we'll see him for a few more years.

Danny's a bit up in the air still, 2021 may actually come good for Renault. If it doesn't though, he might either end up bouncing around a few other teams before leaving or retire altogether. Verstappen is definitely a generational talent and i can't wait to see him compete for the WDC and I don't think Riccardo is on his level. Although so far, he seems to be doing a good job against Hulk.

 

[Alexander1970]

I like Daniel too.A very sympatic and charismatic guy,that tpye that Formula 1 needs more of it.

Seb is no longer Ferraris First Choice,do not forget the Legacy of Sergio Marchionne.He is the one behind LeClerc his "Child protection".
You know Ferrari is a 100% political Team.There are no "friendships" or such things.Mattia Binotto is the same direction.LeClerc IS the 2020 Number 1.And I can not imagine Seb stays as Number 2.

 

[Qawful]

I like Daniel too.A very sympatic and charismatic guy,that tpye that Formula 1 needs more of it.

Seb is no longer Ferraris First Choice,do not forget the Legacy of Sergio Marchionne.He is the one behind LeClerc his "Child protection".
You know Ferrari is a 100% political Team.There are no "friendships" or such things.Mattia Binotto is the same direction.LeClerc IS the 2020 Number 1.And I can not imagine Seb stays as Number 2.

Agree. If Seb doesn't step up, he is definitely going to end up number 2. Unfortunately, Ferrari's politics have put them in the position they are currently in

 

[Alexander1970]

Agree. If Seb doesn't step up, he is definitely going to end up number 2. Unfortunately, Ferrari's politics have put them in the position they are currently in

The good thing in the last 2 races until today:

The distance between the 3 Top teams getting smaller and also to the Mid Field comesup.It is getting a little more interesting now.McLaren did a very good Job to catch up.
Renault/Alfa/Haas struggles a little but also getting forward.

Only Toro Rosso and Racing Point has lost a little ground.Williams ?? Out of order.....

 

[Alexander1970]

Grand Prix of Great Britain

Final Standings after 52 Laps (306,198 km):

1. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes 1:21:08,452

2. Valtteri Bottas FIN Mercedes + 24,928

3. Charles Leclerc MCO Ferrari 30,117
4. Pierre Gasly FRA Red Bull 34,692
5. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull 39,458
6. Carlos Sainz ESP McLaren 53,639
7. Daniel Ricciardo AUS Renault 54,401
8. Kimi Räikkönen FIN Alfa Romeo 1:05,540
9. Daniil Kwjat RUS Toro Rosso 1:06,720
10. Nico Hülkenberg GER Renault 1:12,733
11. Lando Norris GBR McLaren 1:14,281
12. Alexander Albon THA Toro Rosso 1:15,617
13. Lance Stroll CAN Racing Point 1:21,086
14. George Russell GBR Williams eine Runde
15. Robert Kubica POL Williams eine Runde
16. Sebastian Vettel GER Ferrari eine Runde
17. Sergio Perez MEX Racing Point eine Runde

Fastest Lap: Hamilton 1:27,369 Minuten in the LAST LAP with 32 Laps old Tyres !

out: Kevin Magnussen (DEN/Haas), Romain Grosjean (FRA/Haas), Antonio Giovinazzi (ITA/Alfa Romeo)

Spoiler: Personal Note:

A great and exciting race.It has all that a good Race needs. I hope in the next 2 years the Cars no longer depends on most areodynamic.That makes maybe longer Slipstream fights possible as shown today.GREAT JOB from the STEWARDS ! Let them RACE !

 

[Pleng]

Fantastic last lap from Lewis.

And look at that; both Williams finished ahead of one of the Ferraris.

 

[Alexander1970]

Verstappen - Vettel:



--------------------- MERGED ---------------------------


Driver Standings:

1. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes 223
2. Valtteri Bottas FIN Mercedes 184
3. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull 136
4. Sebastian Vettel GER Ferrari 123
5. Charles Leclerc MCO Ferrari 120

6. Pierre Gasly FRA Red Bull 55
7. Carlos Sainz ESP McLaren 38
8. Kimi Räikkönen FIN Alfa Romeo 25
9. Lando Norris GBR McLaren 22
10. Daniel Ricciardo AUS Renault 22
11. Nico Hülkenberg GER Renault 17
12. Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas 14
13. Sergio Perez MEX Racing Point 13
14. Daniil Kwjat RUS Toro Rosso 12
15. Alexander Albon THA Toro Rosso 7
16. Lance Stroll CAN Racing Point 6
17. Romain Grosjean FRA Haas 2
18. Antonio Giovinazzi ITA Alfa Romeo 1
19. George Russell GBR Williams 0
20. Robert Kubica POL Williams 0

Constructors Championship Standings:

1. Mercedes 407
2. Ferrari 243
3. Red Bull 191

4. McLaren 60
5. Renault 39
6. Alfa Romeo 26
7. Racing Point 19
8. Toro Rosso 19
9. Haas 16

10. Williams 0

 

[Pleng]

Hamilton is now close to being 2 full race wins ahead of his closest "challenger" Bottas. And it would take 4 race wins from his fastest (though horrendously inconsistent) rival Vettel, with Hamilton scoring no points, before Vetell would be even on points with Hamilton. Even then Lewis would still be ahead in the standings due to having had more victories.

So even though the fat lady hasn't *quite* started to sing, maybe the question that we should really be asking ourselves is will there be a driver/car combination in 2020 that can step up to the challenge of stopping Lewis matching Michael Schumacher's record of winning 7 driver's world championships?

 

[Alexander1970]

Spoiler: A personal Note on Sebastian Vettel.....

I think Vettel actual has a "personal crisis".
Not of his performance on Ferrari.
My thought is he is "non motivated" (pretty sure the "crack" comes after his "stolen" victory in Canada)

- of the actual rules in Formula 1 (who does not..)
- the upcoming rules and changes (or not) in 2020/2021
- the LAST year (I do not think this was all "good" what happend in this "Sergio Marchionne/Maurizio Arrivabene/Mattia Binotto/LeClerc/Kimi" case......)
- and last but not least - he is now married (Juni 2019).

What can happen:
Seb

- gets his "bite and hunger" in the Summer break in August.
- he simply retires
- make an 1 Year "time-out" to see in which direction Formula 1 goes.

We will see.

Thank you.

 

[Alexander1970]

Grand Prix of Germany in Hockenheim.

First Free practice:
1. Sebastian Vettel GER Ferrari 1:14,013
2. Charles Leclerc MCO Ferrari + 0,255
3. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes 0,302
4. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull 0,317
5. Valtteri Bottas FIN Mercedes 0,647
6. Pierre Gasly FRA Red Bull 0,800
7. Carlos Sainz ESP McLaren 1,049
8. Romain Grosjean FRA Haas 1,061
9. Lance Stroll CAN Racing Point 1,178
10. Daniel Ricciardo AUS Renault 1,554
11. Sergio Perez MEX Racing Point 1,591
12. Lando Norris GBR McLaren 1,603
13. Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas 1,746
14. Daniil Kwjat RUS Toro Rosso 1,763
15. Alexander Albon THA Toro Rosso 1,764
16. Nico Hülkenberg GER Renault 1,810
17. Kimi Räikkönen FIN Alfa Romeo 1,940
18. Antonio Giovinazzi ITA Alfa Romeo 2,369
19. Robert Kubica POL Williams 2,546
20. George Russell GBR Williams 3,113

Second Free Practice:
1. Charles Leclerc MCO Ferrari 1:13,449
2. Sebastian Vettel GER Ferrari + 0,124
3. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes 0,146
4. Valtteri Bottas FIN Mercedes 0,662
5. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull 0,684
6. Romain Grosjean FRA Haas 0,730
7. Lance Stroll CAN Racing Point 0,819
8. Kimi Räikkönen FIN Alfa Romeo 1,009
9. Nico Hülkenberg GER Renault 1,023
10. Sergio Perez MEX Racing Point 1,069
11. Carlos Sainz ESP McLaren 1,213
12. Daniil Kwjat RUS Toro Rosso 1,351
13. Daniel Ricciardo AUS Renault 1,561
14. Alexander Albon THA Toro Rosso 1,613
15. Pierre Gasly FRA Red Bull 1,640
16. Lando Norris GBR McLaren 1,798
17. Antonio Giovinazzi ITA Alfa Romeo 1,957
18. Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas 2,021
19. George Russell GBR Williams 3,451
20. Robert Kubica POL Williams 3,531

 

[Alexander1970]

Free Practice 3:

1.Charles Leclerc Ferrari Ferrari P 1:12.380
2.Max Verstappen Red Bull Honda P 1:12.548 + 0.168
3.Sebastian Vettel Ferrari Ferrari P 1:12.644 + 0.264 18
4.Valtteri Bottas Mercedes-AMG Mercedes P 1:12.890 + 0.510
5.Kevin Magnussen Haas F1 Team Ferrari P 1:12.893 + 0.513
6.Lewis Hamilton Mercedes-AMG Mercedes P 1:12.965 + 0.585
7.Carlos Sainz jr. McLaren Renault P 1:13.300 + 0.920
8.Pierre Gasly Red Bull Honda P 1:13.324 + 0.944
9.Kimi Räikkönen Alfa Romeo Ferrari P 1:13.351 + 0.971
10.Romain Grosjean Haas F1 Team Ferrari P 1:13.378 + 0.998
11.Sergio Pérez Racing Point Mercedes P 1:13.476 + 1.096
12.Nico Hülkenberg Renault Renault P 1:13.496 + 1.116
13.Alexander Albon Toro Rosso Honda P 1:13.554 + 1.174
14.Lando Norris McLaren Renault P 1:13.556 + 1.176
15.Antonio Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo Ferrari P 1:13.671 + 1.291
16.Lance Stroll Racing Point Mercedes P 1:13.672 + 1.292
17.Daniil Kvyat Toro Rosso Honda P 1:13.767 + 1.387
18.Daniel Ricciardo Renault Renault P 1:13.816 + 1.436
19.Robert Kubica Williams Mercedes P 1:15.540 + 3.160
20.George Russell Williams






Grand Prix of Germany in Hockenheim:

Starting Grid:

1. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes
2. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull
3. Valtteri Bottas FIN Mercedes
4. Pierre Gasly FRA Red Bull
5. Kimi Räikkönen FIN Alfa Romeo
6. Romain Grosjean FRA Haas
7. Carlos Sainz ESP McLaren
8. Sergio Perez MEX Racing Point
9. Nico Hülkenberg GER Renault
10. Charles Leclerc MCO Ferrari
11. Antonio Giovinazzi ITA Alfa Romeo
12. Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas
13. Daniel Ricciardo AUS Renault
14. Daniil Kwjat RUS Toro Rosso
15. Lance Stroll CAN Racing Point
16. Lando Norris GBR McLaren
17. Alexander Albon THA Toro Rosso
18. George Russell GBR Williams
19. Robert Kubica POL Williams
20. Sebastian Vettel GER Ferrari

 

[Pleng]

What rotten luck for Ferarri

Having said that, all their issues appear to be on tracks where they have an apparent speed advantage. All those tracks are hot tracks. Are Ferrari only able to go so fast because they are perhaps being too aggressive with their cooling systems in these situations?

 

[Alexander1970]

Grand Prix of Germany in Hockenheim
Final Result after 64 Laps:

1. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull
2. Sebastian Vettel GER Ferrari + 7,333
3. Daniil Kwjat RUS Toro Rosso 8m305
4. Lance Stroll CAN Racing Point 8,966
5. Carlos Sainz ESP McLaren 9,583
6. Alexander Albon THA Toro Rosso 10,052
7. Kimi Räikkönen FIN Alfa Romeo 12,214
8. Antonio Giovinazzi ITA Alfa Romeo 13,849
9. Romain Grosjean FRA Haas 16,838
10. Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas 18,765
11. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes 19,667
12. Robert Kubica POL Williams 24,987
13. George Russell GBR Williams 26,404

out: Sergio Perez (MEX/Racing Point), Daniel Ricciardo (AUS/Renault), Lando Norris (GBR/McLaren),Charles Leclerc (MCO/Ferrari) , Nico Hülkenberg (GER/Renault), Valterri Bottas (FIN/Mercedes), Pierre Gasly (FRA/Red Bull)

Fastest Lap: Verstappen 1:16,645

 

[Alexander1970]

"Adjusted" result after Alfa Team got 30 seconds penalties for both Drivers for "using not allowed adjustements":

The exact facts are complex. Superior, the stewards accuse Alfa of violating Article 27.1 of the Sporting Regulations. It states that the pilot has to move the vehicle "alone and without assistance".

This is a superordinate article that gives the FIA the power to ban any type of driving assistance. In fact, the FIA sent a document to all teams detailing such driving aids. Similar to a Technical Directive, this document is considered binding by the International Court of Appeal.

Specifically, it is in the case of Alfa to the clutch. Although there is a standard engine control unit in the Formula 1, which comes from McLaren, however, the teams may change certain parameters in it - the clutch settings are included.

So that the launches are more in the hands of the drivers than the engineers, the FIA decided some time ago certain measures. This includes, for example, the prohibition of a second clutch lever.
It was also made clear that the torque output by the engine must be linear with the position of the clutch lever. This translation may be done with a maximum time offset of 70 milliseconds. For Kimi Raikkonen, however, the offset was 200 milliseconds, for Antonio Giovinazzi 300 milliseconds.
As a result, both had "possibly an advantage," as the stewards said. Specifically, this could be a simple form of traction control. Especially in the rain, that would be a big advantage at the start.




FINAL final Standings after 64 Laps (292,736 km):

1. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull 1:44:31,275
2. Sebastian Vettel GER Ferrari + 7,333
3. Daniil Kwjat RUS Toro Rosso 8,305

4. Lance Stroll CAN Racing Point 8,966
5. Carlos Sainz ESP McLaren 9,583
6. Alexander Albon THA Toro Rosso 10,052
7. Romain Grosjean FRA Haas 16,838
8. Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas 18,765

9. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes 19,667

10. Robert Kubica POL Williams 24,987

11. George Russell GBR Williams 26,404

12. Kimi Räikkönen FIN Alfa Romeo 42,214 *
13. Antonio Giovinazzi ITA Alfa Romeo 43,849 *

14. Pierre Gasly FRA Red Bull 3 Runden

*30 secondes Time Penalty