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Former President Trump Announces No Need to Vote Next Cycle

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Not even worth entertaining the idea that there's any difference at all...Trump is bought and paid for by the Heritage Foundation, and Putin, and Xi Jinping, and Netanyahu, and on and on and on. He's the poor man's idea of a rich man, which actually equates to an extremely cheap whore in terms of buying political power.
 
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"Christians get out and vote, just this time. You won't have to do it anymore. Four more years - you know what? It'll be fixed. It'll be fine. You won't have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians. I love you, Christians. I am a Christian. Get out. You gotta get out and vote. In four years you don't have to vote again. We'll have it fixed so good you're not gonna have to vote."

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1817007890496102490
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/27/politics/video/trump-christian-vote-vinjamuri-nr-digvid
Since OP has mentioned so many times "Christian", you must be a really devoted one of church. I'm really interested to know what u think about Paris' Dragqueen-LGBCDEFG+ DEI Last Supper!
 

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Since OP has mentioned so many times "Christian", you must be a really devoted one of church. I'm really interested to know what u think about Paris' Dragqueen-LGBCDEFG+ DEI Last Supper!
Jesus would not be angry about an appeal to disenfranchised and ostracized groups, even if the method was satire or parody. Worship of a golden (orange) calf and the belief that the wealthy are divine, however, would infuriate him to no end. Supporters of Trump may as well be worshiping the anti-Christ instead, assuming he and Trump aren't the same entity. As usual, those who are loudest about their faith understand the least about it.
 

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Since OP has mentioned so many times "Christian", you must be a really devoted one of church. I'm really interested to know what u think about Paris' Dragqueen-LGBCDEFG+ DEI Last Supper!
It's pretty obvious why he was so stuck on Christians for that moment, he's trying to eek by with enough votes to do even more damage.
 
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Since OP has mentioned so many times "Christian", you must be a really devoted one of church. I'm really interested to know what u think about Paris' Dragqueen-LGBCDEFG+ DEI Last Supper!
It was actually a scene from Gargantua which is in turn inspired by Bacchanalia but you do you
 

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Jesus would not be angry about an appeal to disenfranchised and ostracized groups, even if the method was satire or parody. Worship of a golden (orange) calf and the belief that the wealthy are divine, however, would infuriate him to no end. Supporters of Trump may as well be worshiping the anti-Christ instead, assuming he and Trump aren't the same entity. As usual, those who are loudest about their faith understand the least about it.
I advise that you proceed with caution. You are flirting with blasphemy. Jesus is God the Son incarnate. He is no less holy than the other two persons in the triune Godhead. You do, with malicious intent, miscommunicate the situation. Jesus never sought to affirm sin. His ministry absolutely includes repentance of sin. Regardless of whether or not it was a parody of the Last Supper or a parody of some pagan feast, the intention is the affirmation of sin. This is very serious because "the wages of sin is death" (Rom. 6:23). To make light of it is to make light of the righteousness and justice of the Most High.

And he said to his disciples, “Temptations to sin are sure to come, but woe to the one through whom they come! It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin. Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him, and if he sins against you seven times in the day, and turns to you seven times, saying, ‘I repent,’ you must forgive him.”

The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles, 2016), Lk 17:1–4.

You are correct that idolatry incur God's righteous wrath, though you neglect that all forms of idolatry are sin, even the idols of self and pride. I disagree that supporting a presidential candidate necessitates worshipping them. Do you support candidates that oppose Trump? If so, does this mean you worship them? It requires a very poor hermeneutic to conclude that Trump is THE Antichrist. However, it is reasonable to conclude that he is an antichrist. If you listen to this controversial speech, it even sounds like Trump may have actually said "I'm not Christian," though I've concluded that he stated "I'mnah Christian." There is what sounds like an "mnah" sound, though admittedly, there is no "t" sound.

Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.

The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles, 2016), 1 Jn 2:18–19.

It is not at all true that those loudest about their faith understand it the least. It is true that those refusing to study the Bible and finding complacency in their biblical illiteracy and their erroneous hermeneutics understand the least about the supposed faith they profess. Trump is without any doubt a nominal Presbyterian and Christian. That is as deep as his supposed faith is. Why should it be any deeper if mere profession is all that is required to gain the Christian vote?

What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God. You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. And in the same way was not also Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.


The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles, 2016), Jas 2:14–26.
 

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"Christians get out and vote, just this time. You won't have to do it anymore. Four more years - you know what? It'll be fixed. It'll be fine. You won't have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians. I love you, Christians. I am a Christian. Get out. You gotta get out and vote. In four years you don't have to vote again. We'll have it fixed so good you're not gonna have to vote."

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1817007890496102490
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/27/politics/video/trump-christian-vote-vinjamuri-nr-digvid
I really have to say that Christians fall too easily for grifters. This doesn't sound like a Christian man to me, it sounds like a grifter selling a grift. I am sad for those who believe him and support him without doing any amount of critical thinking
 

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Regardless of whether or not it was a parody of the Last Supper or a parody of some pagan feast, the intention is the affirmation of sin.
I disagree with that assessment. Artistic expression and creativity is not "an affirmation of sin," even by the most anachronistic and draconian interpretations of the Bible.

I disagree that supporting a presidential candidate necessitates worshipping them.
I never said it does. Almost no other candidate in history has attracted loony zealots in the same number that Trump has. Probably because he does present himself as a "savior" of sorts, creating imaginary problems and then suggesting he's the only one who can fix them.

It requires a very poor hermeneutic to conclude that Trump is THE Antichrist. However, it is reasonable to conclude that he is an antichrist. If you listen to this controversial speech, it even sounds like Trump may have actually said "I'm not Christian," though I've concluded that he stated "I'mnah Christian." There is what sounds like an "mnah" sound, though admittedly, there is no "t" sound.
Fair enough. It did sound like his body was almost physically rejecting the lie in that instance, and he was only able to force out an abrupt half-correction.

It is not at all true that those loudest about their faith understand it the least.
I stand by that statement insofar as Trump supporters are concerned. I'd wager that at least half of them have never read the bible, and that at least half of those who have did not have the literacy skills to understand its intent. The modern Republican party is much more closely aligned with the old testament than the new.
 
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I advise that you proceed with caution. You are flirting with blasphemy. Jesus is God the Son incarnate. He is no less holy than the other two persons in the triune Godhead. You do, with malicious intent, miscommunicate the situation. Jesus never sought to affirm sin. His ministry absolutely includes repentance of sin. Regardless of whether or not it was a parody of the Last Supper or a parody of some pagan feast, the intention is the affirmation of sin. This is very serious because "the wages of sin is death" (Rom. 6:23). To make light of it is to make light of the righteousness and justice of the Most High.



You are correct that idolatry incur God's righteous wrath, though you neglect that all forms of idolatry are sin, even the idols of self and pride. I disagree that supporting a presidential candidate necessitates worshipping them. Do you support candidates that oppose Trump? If so, does this mean you worship them? It requires a very poor hermeneutic to conclude that Trump is THE Antichrist. However, it is reasonable to conclude that he is an antichrist. If you listen to this controversial speech, it even sounds like Trump may have actually said "I'm not Christian," though I've concluded that he stated "I'mnah Christian." There is what sounds like an "mnah" sound, though admittedly, there is no "t" sound.



It is not at all true that those loudest about their faith understand it the least. It is true that those refusing to study the Bible and finding complacency in their biblical illiteracy and their erroneous hermeneutics understand the least about the supposed faith they profess. Trump is without any doubt a nominal Presbyterian and Christian. That is as deep as his supposed faith is. Why should it be any deeper if mere profession is all that is required to gain the Christian vote?
What about the Quran and Tanakh?
 
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What about the Quran and Tanakh?
There are also the other countless religious texts out there. Personally, I keep to my good old-fashioned Satanic text ^-^ Jesus ain't nowhere near my demonic ass
 

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-- sanity snip --

I'd say that the odd orange one has a lot of worshipers based on the behavior of some of these people. Why else would they strap pads to their heads and wear diapers? The more logical side didn't throw a tantrum when someone stepped down, they took the change in stride and made a much stronger campaign out of it. The one sounds like worshipping and the other sounds like supporting.

Also isn't one of the big things about being a Christian to not shove your religion in people's faces?
 

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I'd say that the odd orange one has a lot of worshipers based on the behavior of some of these people. Why else would they strap pads to their heads and wear diapers? The more logical side didn't throw a tantrum when someone stepped down, they took the change in stride and made a much stronger campaign out of it. The one sounds like worshipping and the other sounds like supporting.

Also isn't one of the big things about being a Christian to not shove your religion in people's faces?
There is an insane amount of AI art out there which depicts Trump on the cross. Jesus is far too "liberal" or even "Communist" for that crowd's liking.
 
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There is an insane amount of AI art out there which depicts Trump on the cross. Jesus is far too "liberal" or even "Communist" for that crowd's liking.
Trump literally has a cult around him formed through shit like Q. It's wild to think anyone wouldn't see the nonsense around Trump and not think he didn't form a Christan-based cult around him and see him as the closest we have to a Second Coming.
Hell, some of his cult even calls him "the Son of Man" and "The Christ"
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-son-man-christ/
 

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There is an insane amount of AI art out there which depicts Trump on the cross. Jesus is far too "liberal" or even "Communist" for that crowd's liking.
I like the one where Trump is in church praying, with 6 fingers on his hand. But seriously, is it really that hard to get that man into a church if people are resorting to AI?
 
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I disagree with that assessment. Artistic expression and creativity is not "an affirmation of sin," even by the most anachronistic and draconian interpretations of the Bible.

I agree with you in the broad and general sense, though I am not referring to a sweeping generalization as the straw effigy you erected does. I am referring to this specific application of artistic expression and creativity. What is true as a generalization is not necessarily true in every specific instance. In this instance, there was a promotion, affirmation, and glamorization of pride and gluttonous indulgence in consumption, whether it be food, entertainment, etc. This indulgence is a sin. It was very true to the pagan roots of the Olympic games.

I never said it does. Almost no other candidate in history has attracted loony zealots in the same number that Trump has. Probably because he does present himself as a "savior" of sorts, creating imaginary problems and then suggesting he's the only one who can fix them.

But you did.
Supporters of Trump may as well be worshiping the anti-Christ instead
Here you equated supporting Trump with worshiping the Antichrist. "May as well" equates the objects of discussion. Perhaps you worded what you intended to communicate poorly?

I stand by that statement insofar as Trump supporters are concerned. I'd wager that at least half of them have never read the bible, and that at least half of those who have did not have the literacy skills to understand its intent. The modern Republican party is much more closely aligned with the old testament than the new.

Biblical illiteracy is not exclusive to Trump supporters nor are the biblically illiterate the only people that support Trump. I would actually assert that greater than half of Trump supporters have not made any real effort to read the Bible, being complacent with the "virtue" of reading a daily verse. I cannot make any sort of judgment on general literacy ability. In my area, illiteracy seems to be independent of political ideology. From what I've observed, the occurrence of an abusive, including negligent, home-life during the formative years is a much more significant factor contributing to illiteracy. I suppose your area is different in the abuse and neglect follow partisan preferences, though I've failed to find any substantiation of such correlation in my own observations.

I'm not sure what you mean by the GOP being more closely aligned with the Old Testament. During the RNC, the blatant syncretism was evidence that the GOP is a populist party like the Democratic Party, being in contempt of the entirety of Scripture. You also seem to imply that the Old and New Testament are not in harmony. Why? Have you read the text in full yourself? I've read through the entirety of the Bible multiple times and I do not observe any disunity between the Old and New Testaments.

What about the Quran and Tanakh?

The Quran is extrabiblical text. Muhammad was illiterate and, when you read through the Hadith of Bukhari, likely demon possessed. His supposed encounter with Gabriel was a demonic encounter rather than an angelic encounter. I would recommend reading the Tanakh (Old Testament) to learn more about what an angelic encounter is. You will also find Christophanies, appearances of Christ preincarnate, in the Old Testament/Tanakh, such as Judg. 6:11-24. In these Christophany phenomenon, you will notice that the angel of the Lord does not deny worship. This is atypical of an angel. Angels always point people to worship God. God, even preincarnate, would have no reason to redirect worship to Himself.

I'd say that the odd orange one has a lot of worshipers based on the behavior of some of these people. Why else would they strap pads to their heads and wear diapers?

Everybody is wearing face diapers as a virtue signal. Some prefer to express their supposed virtue by covering their mouth, while the others prefer covering the right ear. The next face diaper virtue signaling trend will probably cover one or both eyes.

Also isn't one of the big things about being a Christian to not shove your religion in people's faces?

I think it depends on how one defines "shoving religion down people's faces."

But the eleven disciples proceeded to Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had designated. And when they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted. And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to keep all that I commanded you; and behold, I am with you always, even to the end of the age” (Matt. 28:16-20, LSB).

If the definition encompasses the Great Commission, then no. If the definition encompasses forcing one of the unelect to attend corporate worship, then no yes [typo]. This would be a disservice to the congregation as corporate worship is reserved for those within the Body of Christ. It is not for those that are without. Unbelievers need not participate nor even attend. Though, this does not exclude the elect from the obligation of the Great Commission of evangelism. We are tasked with spreading the Gospel so that all the elect may hear and come to Christ. If you have heard and you have denied, then by no means are you obligated to open your heart to the Gospel. You cannot do so even if you thought you wanted to anyway. It is only God who opens the hearts of the elect to accept Him as Lord and God in every aspect of their life, both public and private.
 
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