Following the controversy of Shenmue III becoming an Epic exclusive, backers can now get refunds

Discussion in 'GBAtemp & Scene News' started by Chary, Jul 2, 2019.

  1. Pluupy

    Pluupy _(:3」∠)_

    Sep 13, 2009
    United States
    Just pirate it, honestly. Not worth wrestling with bureaucracy for your refund.
  2. Armadillo

    Armadillo GBAtemp Psycho!

    Aug 28, 2003
    United Kingdom
    Asking for what you were promised isn't a hissy fit.

    Do they wonder. I mean plenty of people have come in with the "only a launcher" & yet no one else had really been dragged on a long conversion. Only reason you have is because you directly asked why multiple times. You also know why, you just refuse to accept it because it's not up to whatever bar you set to ok the outrage.

    So you claim. It's a stick to beat everybody, yet so far it's only Valve you have had a problem with. You brought it up against valve originally, made it something against valve. You didn't start out with you don't like digital distribution in general because of no resales, you specifically blamed valve for it. Only now do you pivot to "everyone who doesn't offer it"

    Nah we aren't nitpicking. We just aren't twisting it to fit your narrative against valve.

    A huge amount of games on the pc platform aren't available only on Steam. I would say the fact that some of the most succesful games on pc, are outside the Steam ecosystem, would mean no, no it's not neccesarily make or break to be on steam either.

    The fact that valve commands such a share, despite plenty of games being available elsewhere and a lot of games being offered on Steam + X, and yet still the majority chooses steam, is not a monopoly. It's valve providing a service that people clearly value.
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  3. ElTacoDestroyer

    ElTacoDestroyer Member

    Jun 8, 2019
    United States
    Developers obviously prefer EGS
  4. Xzi

    Xzi A terrible fate fills you with determination

    pip Contributor
    Dec 26, 2013
    United States
    Spiraling Out
    No, not after Steam keys were promised to backers. As I said, the issue is still clearly bait and switch, I was just giving examples of what affects the user experience to contradict your statement that 'gameplay is unaffected.' Hell, EGS doesn't even function in many of the regions/countries that Steam does. In those regions, offering EGS keys is the same as offering a flaming bag of dog shit.

    Competition is great. Ensuring that customers have fewer purchasing options is the opposite of a competitive business practice, however.

    But that isn't Epic's intention, as they only ever complain about Steam, while ignoring the fact that the Win10 Xbox store and console storefronts continue to take the same 30% cut they always have. They aren't trying to change the whole industry, they're trying to get Steam in particular to adopt an unsustainable cut so that Valve's PC gaming market share will start to drop. Though he thinks himself clever, Tim Sweeney has been very transparent about this goal.

    Time is entirely on Valve's side. As exclusivity contracts start to expire, it will be become more and more obvious EGS cannot compete on its own merits. Not to mention Epic is mismanaging their cash cow, Fortnite, and driving away ever-increasing numbers of players.
    Last edited by Xzi, Jul 4, 2019
  5. xdarkx

    xdarkx GBAtemp Fan

    May 9, 2007
    For those that still think this is okay, defending Epic, or think people are overreacting, this whole thing wouldn't be a thing in the first place if Epic didn't buy out this game as exclusivity couple of months before the game will be out.

    The dev/publisher did say this game was going to be on Steam just about everywhere other than on the Kickstarter page. That is until the last minute decision made by the publisher to go Epic exclusive.

    Backers that selected Steam as their platform as choice before this change are angry because the dev/publisher broke their trust. Course there are those that do not like EGS in general.

    I did not backed this game, but if this were to happen to any games I help backed, I would be pissed as well for breaking my trust.
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  6. TheMrIron2

    TheMrIron2 GBAtemp Regular

    Aug 5, 2017
    People who paid money to see this game happen are totally within reason to get their money back for a breach of trust. In fact, I'd say it's quite fair to boycott Epic and avoid the EGS on moral grounds - or, as my friend put it, "based solely on the honor system".

    Also, is nobody going to point out the irony that Xbox was heavily inspired by the Dreamcast and close work was done with the Xbox after the Dreamcast was finished, and yet this game is only coming to PS4/PC?
    Last edited by TheMrIron2, Jul 4, 2019
  7. Bladexdsl

    Bladexdsl ZOMG my's over 9000!!!

    Nov 17, 2008
    and the whole internet just got a refund :creep:
  8. Foxi4

    Foxi4 On the hunt...

    Global Moderator
    Sep 13, 2009
    Gaming Grotto
    Complaining about which digital storefront your game is delivered by is the single most "first-world" problem on the planet, I do not understand why people are desperate to crown Steam as the people's spaghetti factory on PC. Valve's effective monopoly needed to be broken one way or the other and if deals with Epic are lucrative, developers should take the money and make more games with it, that's what I care about.
  9. Lazlo52

    Lazlo52 Newbie

    Jun 23, 2019
    United States
    I technically have no reason to dislike Epic for stuff like this. Not a single game that's suddenly gone exclusive are games l'd ever buy. What really burns me up, though, is how often it's done only months before the release. And then there's how much they hypocritically bad mouth Valve. Sure, maybe Valve needs to lose some of its monopoly, but why be such dicks all around about it? Don't answer that, though, I've already seen plenty of counter-arguments. I just can't stand how crappy Epic looks throughout all this.

    Also, do you really know if developers get the extra money over the publishers? I mean, I haven't seen anyone post a source either way. If it's the developers, then that'd be one more thing I can relax over.
    Last edited by Lazlo52, Jul 6, 2019
  10. Foxi4

    Foxi4 On the hunt...

    Global Moderator
    Sep 13, 2009
    Gaming Grotto
    It's certainly an additional revenue stream that takes some pressure off the developers, regardless of whether they get to see a single penny from it or not. Ultimately video games are commercial products intended to make money - there's always a magical "X" value that's the desired ROI. If Epic can cover some of that return on the initial investment, more power to them.

    Is their behaviour shitty? Probably. Does their launcher suck? Probably. Do I care? Not in particular, I consider launchers to be bloatware, and I've dropped off the PC gaming master race once running Steam in the background effectively became a requirement, and that was only after years of going through hoops to disable it or somehow go around it. As far as I'm concerned, digital storefronts have one job and one job only - sell games at prices that are appealing to the consumers. As long as Epic can do that, they're doing their job.

    Now, I myself am in two minds about this as I absolutely hate games that are "exclusive", it alienates large swathes of gamers from enjoying them, but on the PC landscape it's a little bit different than on console - installing a different launcher is not an additional investment. That, and the exclusivity is timed, so it's less of a problem, at least to me.

    All in all this is an argument over which of the two evils is better for you. From where I'm sitting, the two evils should be in a constant state of competition as that's what ultimately benefits consumers. People who don't like Epic's strategy should just vote with their wallets, which is simple enough.
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  11. KingVamp

    KingVamp Haaah-hahahaha!

    Sep 13, 2009
    United States
    I'm all in for the option to sell your game, but doesn't PC get a bunch of discounts anyway?
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