federal judge ruled DACA unlawful,

[Xzi]

money, investment,time

The hell is this supposed to mean? If you want people to save money, you have to pay them more than the cost of necessities alone. If you pay them less than the cost of necessities, they have to go on welfare or food stamps, and the taxpayers foot the bill for cheap, shitty employers paying poverty wages. This isn't that complicated.

 

[ClancyDaEnlightened]

The hell is this supposed to mean? If you want people to save money, you have to pay them more than the cost of necessities alone. If you pay them less than the cost of necessities, they have to go on welfare or food stamps, and the taxpayers foot the bill for cheap, shitty employers paying poverty wages. This isn't that complicated.

you want to make more money? get vocation training, associates degree, college doesnt mean you have to go 4 -8 years to make decent money, or just open a (successful) business

sit and complain, again you have the ability, you're refusing it, again wanna wake up tomorrow with 10mil


you can always move to a place with a better standard of living suited to you, for me Switzerland and canadia are better than the united states, for computer engineering/science, amongst a few others...



everyone has to start from somewhere

 

[Xzi]

you want to make more money?

Are you really incapable of understanding concepts beyond the self? No, this isn't about how much money I make personally. This is about basic human dignity and creating a strong, sustainable economy that benefits more than just the ruling class (wealthy people). A system that drives people to poverty and homelessness cannot also be a system that criminalizes those things.

you can always move to a place with a better standard of living suited to you, for me Switzerland and canadia are better than the united states, for computer engineering/science, amongst a few others...

Moving to a different country itself takes a lot of years of prep work and a lot of money. Especially moving overseas. It's also not a solution for people who just want to see their home country live up to its potential.

 

[ClancyDaEnlightened]

Are you really incapable of understanding concepts beyond the self? No, this isn't about how much money I make personally. This is about basic human dignity and creating a strong, sustainable economy that benefits more than just the ruling class (wealthy people). A system that drives people to poverty and homelessness cannot also be a system that criminalizes those things.


Moving to a different country itself takes a lot of years of prep work and a lot of money. Especially moving overseas. It's also not a solution for people who just want to see their home country live up to its potential.

eh i want to see the world, i am a dual national anyways, so if the usa went to shit, europe i go

 

[Deleted member 514389]

Being homeless, deported etc. sucks.
If you think anyone deserves that, you're awful.

 

[jimbo13]

Being homeless, deported etc. sucks.
If you think anyone deserves that, you're awful.

Being a criminal has consequences, they knew what those consequences are.

 

[Xzi]

Being homeless, deported etc. sucks.
If you think anyone deserves that, you're awful.

Being a criminal has consequences, they knew what those consequences are.

Fucking troglodyte, man. The worst part is that you could've picked literally any issue.

"If you think children deserve to starve to death, you're awful."
Jimbo: "yep here I am."

 

[Dinomite]

It's weird how it wasn't an issue when European were coming to the country and it only became an issue when people with darker skin started wanting to come here.

No one said they have an issue with people of dark skin. You seem to be making a racial assumption there buddy, be better. There are plenty of people from all over the world who have migrated to the USA legally, the issue is with people who cross the border illegally.

 

[Valwinz]

Being homeless, deported etc. sucks.
If you think anyone deserves that, you're awful.

you have a house let them stay in it

 

[The Catboy]

No one said they have an issue with people of dark skin. You seem to be making a racial assumption there buddy, be better. There are plenty of people from all over the world who have migrated to the USA legally, the issue is with people who cross the border illegally.

The point was more or less that no one had an issue with “legality” and the process was far simpler to become “legal” when it was people from Europe. It only suddenly became an issue when it was people trying to come to America from the Central and South America, Asia, and even Southern parts of Europe. Anti-immigration laws have always had a long and racist history that only seem to be created to focus on blocking very specific groups of people, specifically people of groups not deemed “White.” Anti-immigration laws have always had a long history in being racially motivated.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hi...legal-border-crossing-usa-mexico-section-1325
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.history.com/.amp/news/the-birth-of-illegal-immigration

 

[Xzi]

you have a house let them stay in it

There we go: confirmation that Republicans don't care about fixing any of the US' problems so long as they can blame them on the other side somehow. Creeping oligarchy? Clearly the fault of anybody advocating for better living/working conditions.

 

[jimbo13]

The point was more or less that no one had an issue with “legality” and the process was far simpler to become “legal” when it was people from Europe. It only suddenly became an issue when it was people trying to come to America from the Central and South America, Asia, and even Southern parts of Europe. Anti-immigration laws have always had a long and racist history that only seem to be created to focus on blocking very specific groups of people, specifically people of groups not deemed “White.” Anti-immigration laws have always had a long history in being racially motivated.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hi...legal-border-crossing-usa-mexico-section-1325
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.history.com/.amp/news/the-birth-of-illegal-immigration

The process was simpler when we didn't have 400 million people and infrastructure that is at capacity. The United States has some of the most generous easy immigration laws in the world, far to easy.

Most countries require you to learn the language and culturally acclimate, they don't tolerate influx of cheap labor damaging their economies, causing housing shortages and over crowding their communities. Mainly because they don't have a culture of insolent self hating brats whose parents didn't love them enough to smack them upside the head when they spewed stupid shit.

 

[Valwinz]

They have to go bACK!!!!

 

[Lacius]

They have to go bACK!!!!

Why should they have to go back?

 

[Seliph]

Not like Obama was ever great with immigration seeing as how he created the concentration camp infrastructure that caged thousands of people during his administration and every administration since.

DACA was good, but not a real solution. This country could do much better towards immigrants and that starts with fixing our garbage foreign (and to a lesser extent domestic) policy which is the primary cause for influxes of immigration in the first place.

Regardless, this will hurt so many people including friends I know who live their lives fearing deportation every day and see vans steal their neighbors away every few months. This sucks but is not surprising in the least bit. This does nothing but cause confusion and hurt and loss, this is not a solution at all for any sort of immigration-related problems. Granted this is not a problem for undocumented children who already live here, but it's still always scary to see and only serves to heighten the fears that immigrants living in this country already face, especially if this ruling is allowed to go further.

 

[jimbo13]

Why should they have to go back?

Same reason a decent checker will tell you to fuck off and go back to the line when you jump queue.

 

[Lacius]

Same reason a decent checker will tell you to fuck off and go back to the line when you jump queue.

There's a major difference. A line-jumper is negatively affecting the people behind them. Who is being negatively affected by allowing people who arrived here as children stay in the only country they know?

 

[jimbo13]

There's a major difference. A line-jumper is negatively affecting the people behind them. Who is being negatively affected by allowing people who arrived here as children stay in the only country they know?

Same people, same line that have to wait behind that person while they are trying to use WIC checks and have the wrong items because they didn't learn the language.

 

[Lacius]

Same people, same line that have to wait behind that person while they are trying to use WIC checks and have the wrong items because they didn't learn the language.

What are you talking about? DACA is about people who are already in the United States and have been for many years. For a lot of DACA recipients, they've been here practically their entire lives.

Is the line you're bringing up metaphorical, or are you talking about a literal line that apparently has nothing figuratively nor literally to do with DACA?

 

[jimbo13]

What are you talking about? DACA is about people who are already in the United States and have been for many years. For a lot of DACA recipients, they've been here practically their entire lives.

Is the line you're bringing up metaphorical, or are you talking about a literal line that apparently has nothing figuratively nor literally to do with DACA?

Literal line, if it gets me out of the grocery store 10 minutes quicker and it will; use catapults to send them back imo.

The infrastructure and economy of a society has a capacity, that capacity and the pace at which it expands has been exceeded by illegal immigration, Mexico has a functional government and people fully capable of taking care of their citizens. If they choose not to that is not my problem, we have 400 million or so people under served & under represented already.