federal judge ruled DACA unlawful,

[Exidous]

Racial privilege exists, and it's only racist to deny that fact.

That'd be a neat trick.

Here let me try: communism is dangerous and evil, and it's only communist to deny that fact.

Meh, sounds ridiculous.

I've already addressed if the child is responsible for the sins of the father (they aren't)

Then in what sense does the child have privilege stemming from their:

privilege being white, particularly when it comes to how white people built their wealth largely off the backs of people of color and by keeping them down with oppressive policies

They have it, but they're not responsible for it? That couldn't be it, because you just said

However, people need to check their privilege

Oh well.

and work towards a more just and equitable society.

Equality of outcomes (what you and yours mean when you say "equity") is nearly the opposite of equality under the law. At some point the drivers of the left decided that (differently targeted) racism was the solution for past racism. It's not going to work out for you though. And as usual, you will continue to hurt the people you purport to care about even more than what the effect of complete apathy* would be.

*which you accuse others of having, on the rare occasion you aren't accusing them of being racists. Perhaps, given the whole privilege narrative racism and apathy are indistinguishable to you. As a thought experiment, just how wrong do you think MLK was?

 

[Lacius]

That'd be a neat trick.

Here let me try: communism is dangerous and evil, and it's only communist to deny that fact.

Meh, sounds ridiculous.


Then in what sense does the child have privilege stemming from their:



They have it, but they're not responsible for it? That couldn't be it, because you just said



Oh well.


Equality of outcomes (what you and yours mean when you say "equity") is nearly the opposite of equality under the law. At some point the drivers of the left decided that (differently targeted) racism was the solution for past racism. It's not going to work out for you though. And as usual, you will continue to hurt the people you purport to care about even more than what the effect of complete apathy* would be.

*which you accuse others of having, on the rare occasion you aren't accusing them of being racists. Perhaps, given the whole privilege narrative racism and apathy are indistinguishable to you. As a thought experiment, just how wrong do you think MLK was?

It is possible to be born with privilege without being responsible for it; that's generally how it works. However, that doesn't excuse pretending the privilege doesn't exist. Endorsing and maintaining the inequitable system is the wrongdoing, not having the privilege in the first place. That seems to be where your mistake lies.

Edit: This topic of conversation is beginning to feel less and less relevant to the topic of this thread. If you want to continue this conversation, I'd recommend posting a relevant thread or sending me a PM. However, I'd recommend reading up on the topic of racial privilege beforehand, since you keep presenting strawman representations of what "privilege" means.

 

[Exidous]

This topic of conversation is beginning to feel less and less relevant to the topic of this thread. If you want to continue this conversation, I'd recommend posting a relevant thread or sending me a PM. However, I'd recommend reading up on the topic of racial privilege beforehand, since you keep presenting strawman representations of what "privilege" means.

By appearances, your accusation of racism is what ended this thread, before I pointed it out.

You must think you persuade people, when all you really do is shut them down and piss them off. It's a shame that you're expending the real social impact accusations of racism (used to have) in such a ridiculous manner though. Like I said though, the root goes back further. As soon as the left in the U.S. gave up on liberalism, it was over.

 

[subcon959]

Racial privilege exists, and it's only racist to deny that fact.

What a ridiculous statement. As someone who has been the victim of actual racism for over 40 years I find your use of "racist" extremely offensive. Yes racial privilege exists, but it is not "racist" to deny its existence. It's frivolous usage like that is the reason the meaning of true racism has been diluted so much these days.

 

[Lacius]

What a ridiculous statement. As someone who has been the victim of actual racism for over 40 years I find your use of "racist" extremely offensive. Yes racial privilege exists, but it is not "racist" to deny its existence. It's frivolous usage like that is the reason the meaning of true racism has been diluted so much these days.

It is indeed racist to pretend to be colorblind and act as though racism and its effects don't exist.

 

[Exidous]

We need to get this man a "if you're not with us, you're against us" banner.

Who in the world said racism doesn't exist?

 

[Dakitten]

What a ridiculous statement. As someone who has been the victim of actual racism for over 40 years I find your use of "racist" extremely offensive. Yes racial privilege exists, but it is not "racist" to deny its existence. It's frivolous usage like that is the reason the meaning of true racism has been diluted so much these days.

What a ridiculous statement. As someone who has been the victim of actual racism and sexual harassment for almost 40 years, I find your attitude on the topic to be cringey as all fluff. Racism doesn't have to be a lynch mob or the refusal of rights, and your marginalizing things doesn't represent the views of the groups you purport to be representing.

By appearances, your accusation of racism is what ended this thread, before I pointed it out.

You must think you persuade people, when all you really do is shut them down and piss them off. It's a shame that you're expending the real social impact accusations of racism (used to have) in such a ridiculous manner though. Like I said though, the root goes back further. As soon as the left in the U.S. gave up on liberalism, it was over.

I suppose if you don't like it here, you have the freedom to leave?

 

[SG854]

As a marginalized person who is reading the comments of a marginalized person addressing the comments of a marginalized person who is marginalizing the topic of marginalized groups all I can say that racism is a thing that exists for some people and doesn't exist for others.

 

[Exidous]

I suppose if you don't like it here, you have the freedom to leave?

I meant the left was over in this country. Liberalism was the thing that it actually shared with the ideological underpinnings of America.

Having forsaken that, you of the left are thoroughly un-American, ideologically speaking.

 

[Dakitten]

I meant the left was over in this country. Liberalism was the thing that it actually shared with the ideological underpinnings of America.

Having forsaken that, you of the left are thoroughly un-American, ideologically speaking.

Considering that the left very often makes up the majority of the US population, wouldn't that make the right thoroughly "un-American" in a democracy? Countries that don't evolve die, and the USA was built to be an evolving democracy with the ability to amend the constitution and for judges and states to be able to address local issues more efficiently than at a federal level (within reason). If you don't like what the will of the people leans towards, though... there's the door?

https://news.gallup.com/poll/343976/quarterly-gap-party-affiliation-largest-2012.aspx

 

[Exidous]

Considering that the left very often makes up the majority of the US population

That has never happened. The ideological left is at most, ever, a quarter of the country. The Democrats are a political coalition, not a homogeneous ideological force.

wouldn't that make the right thoroughly "un-American" in a democracy?

Maybe, if this was a democracy and not a constitutional republic replete with provisions that block the left's designs. Thank the founders.

Countries that don't evolve die, and the USA was built to be an evolving democracy with the ability to amend the constitution and for judges and states to be able to address local issues more efficiently than at a federal level (within reason)

I actually agree with everything you just said (other than quibbling with your emphasis on democracy). Our "evolution" is rather slow by design, wouldn't you admit? Compared to say, the vast majority of republics and democracies in the world which are parliamentary.

If you don't like what the will of the people leans towards, though... there's the door?

I just wish yours would follow through on the repeated promises to move to Canada when you lose the next one.

 

[subcon959]

What a ridiculous statement. As someone who has been the victim of actual racism and sexual harassment for almost 40 years, I find your attitude on the topic to be cringey as all fluff. Racism doesn't have to be a lynch mob or the refusal of rights, and your marginalizing things doesn't represent the views of the groups you purport to be representing.

What group did I purport to represent? You're talking out of your arse as usual, and unlike your facetious wordplay my response was a genuine emotion I felt towards something that was posted. Then again, based on your post history compassion isn't one of your strong points is it?

 

[Dakitten]

That has never happened. The ideological left is at most, ever, a quarter of the country. The Democrats are a political coalition, not a homogeneous ideological force.

And the Republicans make up less than that... and get less votes... despite having greater party turnout. Ergo... sorry, chief.

Maybe, if this was a democracy and not a constitutional republic replete with provisions that block the left's designs. Thank the founders.

Ah, a fundamentalist~ I prefer not to celebrate wealthy genocidal slave owners as the mythological god-founders of the republic, but I am pretty certain we utilize a representative democracy as our vector for representing we, the people... But I will yield, I hear "spread a republic!", and not democracy, all the time when politicians talk about American values! And we certainly don't have a dominant dem presence in the House and Senate because that would just be lunacy like the founders never would have wanted!

I actually agree with everything you just said (other than quibbling with your emphasis on democracy). Our "evolution" is rather slow by design, wouldn't you admit? Compared to say, the vast majority of republics and democracies in the world which are parliamentary.

I would strongly disagree, actually. It has started to slow down, but amendments and local laws evolve fairly rapidly as needed. It certainly could be faster with uniformity, but some silly gerbils deadlocked the federal government into actually doing nothing for a while now and tribalizing into anti science while the world heats up.

I just wish yours would follow through on the repeated promises to move to Canada when you lose the next one.

You first, comrade. I actually served this country, and continue to work to better it as a civilian.

What group did I purport to represent? You're talking out of your arse as usual, and unlike your facetious wordplay my response was a genuine emotion I felt towards something that was posted. Then again, based on your post history compassion isn't one of your strong points is it?

Honestly, I don't know who you're trying to represent, but I don't think you were representing anyone well or in good faith. I actually tend to rally for compassionate humanitarian causes, so I am not quite sure what you are referencing, but I am not too worried about justifying myself on this board to everyone who aggressively disagrees with me.

 

[Exidous]

And the Republicans make up less than that... and get less votes... despite having greater party turnout. Ergo... sorry, chief.

So, that same thing you said again, without considering anything I said. Got it.

Ah, a fundamentalist~

It's called "rule of law" when we follow what the law says instead of your feelings. But I certainly understand your preference for your feelings, it just means you lack the rational capacity for self government.

I prefer not to celebrate wealthy genocidal slave owners as the mythological god-founders of the republic

I agree that you do not celebrate them, and evidently have to slander better men because their ideas are incompatible with yours.

America is fundamentally broken and evil from the perspective of your philosophy. You should leave it for somewhere that better approximates your values.

See, unlike you, Americans don't have a better option. Leftists like you have got all kinds of socialist countries to flee to: Venezuela if you like it warm, North Korea if you like it cold. Nowhere if you like food and toilet paper but hey, sacrifices must be made for the greater good, right?

And we certainly don't have a dominant dem presence in the House and Senate

You certainly don't. You're crowing about a Senate majority of 0 and a House majority of what is it, a dozen? And that's taking credit for the ever-imperfect vehicle the Democratic Party is for the left. If that's all you could muster against the Republicans with Trump at the top of the ticket during a pandemic, you're pretty fucked.

because that would just be lunacy like the founders never would have wanted

They built a system that would restrain transitory majorities not prevent them entirely. Are you being obtuse on purpose?

I would strongly disagree, actually.

But not based on anything objective, apparently. It would have taken a parliamentary majority for Jeremy Corbyn to do to Britain what you want to do to America. It takes 60 votes in the Senate, a House majority, the Presidency, and a majority of your toadies on the Supreme Court to ignore the Constitution, at the same time, to do that here. God bless the founders. You're right to seethe at their effective restraints on your designs.

You first, comrade

Conservatives don't make promises to leave America with regularity like leftists do....

I actually served this country, and continue to work to better it as a civilian.

I could accuse you of stolen valor, but I'm pretty sure they dropped their standards to 0 under Obama, so it's not impossible. Still, my best theory is approximately (at 1:52):