FALSE: Gateway 3DS Bricking Mechanism Discovered

Discussion in '3DS - Flashcards & Custom Firmwares' started by shibi, Jan 20, 2014.

  1. shibi
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    There is number of problems with this report.

    #1: It is all based on info being mouthed out by Normatt which I and many others in scene world know for a fact he is main engineer behind the two clones so of course he will do anything to discredit the GW team and their efforts.

    #2: It is loop, GBA confirms based on NGB, which is posting what GBA confined, so really there is no solid confimation, just i am saying what he is saying and what i said is what he said, so therefore it must be true, if so true and they claim the have whole decrypted code, why not publish it, and highlighted bits, or tools to allow other people to unpack and decrypt the code themselves so they can verify the facts that are being pushed out by the clone engineers.

    #3: If they Normatt and his clone buddies did infact have the whole decrypt code and are so all smart and knowing, then howcome if the bricking code is indeed there and they knew about it, would on purpose leave it in there running, and bypass all the safeguards and sanity checks and checksums testing that original code does, so the socalled bad code would indeed get install and run at some point on both the clones and legit users using his modded launched, a very dirty trick if you ask me, more devilish then anything GW ever did, and with no apologize or I am sorry or anything.

    I am sure there is multiple ways of unbricking with right info and tools, but the reason GW is offering to do it for you, is for number of reasons:

    #1: Most people don't have the soldering skills or proper equipment to do the job.

    #2: If they released all the info, it would, one enable clones to get the upperhand, and two also other others to release even more nasty shit, that could be alot worse then just simple lock on eMMC, etc.

    #3: Even if you think you seen alot of LEGIT brick reports, the actual numbers and true ones are very very low, trust me when I say this, as alot of people have both flashcarts so even if they are claiming it bricked when using their LEGIT Gateway, alot of them used a Clone on same 3DS in the past, so they can't claim the brick is LEGIT, and alot of them used the modded launcher by evil clone engineer Normatt, even if they claim they didn't, and some are just outright lieing because they either hate pirates in general or want to for some reason support the clones, or are upset the final 2.0 is not out yet and they can't play Pokemon, or have 6.5 or higher 3DS even tho they bought a GW hoping it would move pass 4.5 by now, there is alot of reasons, but trust me the amount of legit bricks is very low, and could be caused by other factors instead of just this so-called claim by clone engineers that GW is causing it.

    Source: http://www.maxconsole.com/maxcon_fo...LSE-Gateway-3DS-Bricking-Mechanism-Discovered
     
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  2. redkeyboard

    redkeyboard GBAtemp Advanced Fan

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    Yeah, let's all just believe the administrator of the official GW forum guys!
     
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  3. kyogre123

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    I'm a bit disappointed by the way both Gateway and the administrator of that forum are handling this situation, it makes me think that probably Gateway became GetAway 3DS. An apologise would still be appreciated though.

    Here's the actual explanation:

    Gateway 3DS Bricking Mechanism Discovered
    Expert members (specifically profi200) of ngb.to in collaboration with Normatt (who is in possession of the decrypted Gateway code) have discovered how Gateway bricks 3DS consoles, and how it is theoretically possible to fix it.

    Gateway uses a CPU emulator that executes MIPS-like code. The bricking code is hidden inside the portion of code that is executed by the CPU emulator. Once the bricking code is activated, the temporary write protect bit within CSD is set and the eMMC lock is activated.

    The people at Gateway can actually unbrick a 3DS WITHOUT a NAND dump by using a password which is unique for each 3DS and is generated using the CID of the NAND and which is then encrypted by the AES Engine of 3DS. By using this password, they can remove the lock and delete the write protect bit. That's why when Gateway initially posted the announcement about fixing bricked consoles they didn't mention requiring a NAND backup - because they really don't.

    The Gateway brick can be fixed by using a forced overwrite that deletes all write protection bits and completely removes the lock. However, this requires low level hardware access [to the eMMC] with a dev board (or device like raspberry pie) that supports SPI or SDIO. Unfortunately if this method is used, the entire NAND will be overwritten, which means a prior NAND dump is required. Furthermore, this isn't exactly easy and requires advanced soldering skills, so it is not a newbie friendly solution.

    So the bricking is indeed deliberate. The Gateway team placed several checksums inside 2.0b2 which trigger it under specific circumstances. It has been confirmed that the brick code and the checksums were not present before 2.0b2.
    And while it is aimed at clone cards, it can and has happened to legitimate Gateway users, too (which is unlikely, but not impossible).

    Source (German): https://ngb.to/threads/161-Gateway-3...ashcart/page17
    https://ngb.to/threads/161-Gateway-3...ashcart/page18

    Now that the jig is up, maybe Gateway 3DS can be convinced to remove their dangerous code from their next firmware release to regain the trust of their customers.

    I would like to kindly ask the moderators not to lock this topic as this is important information.
    Also, please refrain from flaming me- I am merely the messenger.​
     
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  4. Huntereb

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    He really is? LOL :rofl2:
     
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  5. the_randomizer

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    It's Maxconsole, did you honestly expect something reputable to be linked from that site? The whole situation is a shitstorm and to be honest, it's gonna get worse before it gets better. It's pretty bad with the way things are now, at least, it looks that way. :unsure:




    Sad indeed :creep: This is gonna get interesting lol.
     
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  6. samljer

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    If you didnt register to the forums on Jan 4 / 2014
    I might believe some of that.
     
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  7. Skelletonike

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    You just made a joke worthy of Gahars , my opinion of you has drastically improved. x'D


    On topic though.... This Shibi guy is being way over-protective of gateway... One thing is defending them, another thing is trying to convince people that there is no risk whatsoever with the latest firmware. That and his shocking pink avatar hurt my eyes. >.>
     
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  8. the_randomizer

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    Yes, I believe that is called sycophancy, or saving face, not sure at this point.
     
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  9. Huntereb

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    shibi, I'll be fine with Gateway when they admit what they did, or apologize for what they've done, and they remove the brick code. Until then, they're still on my bad side, and these little threads aren't going to sway me from what has occurred over the past week.
     
  10. Mr_Pichu

    Mr_Pichu かわいいね!

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    The great bricking of 2014 continues as planned. Is there any hope in sight???
     
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    kyogre123, the gateway team do ask for a nand backup to be sent on your sd card when sending in your 3ds, it is right there is there RMA post. they say without it it would make the job considerably harder.....................................sudeki300
     
  12. MrChildren

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    Name callings from an admin - naive.

    Gateway user here. Based on that admin, gateway official firmware actually bricks a 3DS huh? Regardless it is 1 out of million, this will cause inconvenient to the end users and especially parents which doesn't have the know how :(

    My 2 cents, GW doesn't need to admit or deny anything. However, they could always handle this bricking issue much professionally.
     
  13. aXXo

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    Trust YOU? You've been a member of this forum for 11 days, and found it upon yourself to start a whole new thread discrediting the bricking code, people who claim to have bricks, clones, and and even Normatt. Why? There were already plenty of threads with that purpose, why did you have to start another one to basically make a 6 paragraph rant? Also, I would much rather truct people that can be considered gods of the hacking scene like Yellow8 and Methullah (or however the heck you spell his name) who actually have credit to their name.
     
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    True, they don't have to admit crap, but an update or fix of this issue would be fantastic. So far they just keep dodging questions and leaving people in the dark.
     
  15. Ryukouki

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    Trust a 21 post count member who has been here for fifteen days? Sounds really legitimate right now.
     
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  16. the_randomizer

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    But, but, but....he actually seems to know the admin of Maxconsole who happens to be on the Gateway team, how could it NOT be trusted? :creep:
     
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    Epic narrator sighted:lol:
     
  18. Normmatt

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    #1: It has been proven there is bricking code in GW 2.0B2 by several well known people in the scene besides me.
    #3: I knew there was a checksum, but didn't know there was any bricking code when I posted the code on irc.... I have never posted my patch anywhere but irc and never intended for it to be widely distributed.
     
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  19. the_randomizer

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    This is interesting: http://www.maxconsole.com/maxcon_fo...es-Statement-about-RMA-ing-your-Bricks/page12

    Intriguing, and how is this to be interpreted?

    From GaryOPA himself

     
  20. Mr_Pichu

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    As the FPGA will likely need an update in the next version, I suspect the resulting launcher machine code will largely be unusable by the clones. So there shouldn't be a need for additional software protection measures, at least I hope GW sees it this way.
     
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