Misc Every Wii Shop Channel revival has failed

[N7Kopper]

They also were considering making people buy Wii Points using PayPal, which is even more stupid.

As much as I insist that piracy is preservation, not theft - this is bootlegging. Bootlegging is theft. Not in the modern use case like "unlicensed" - an unlicensed piece of software isn't actually a bootleg in the traditional sense. Bootlegging is why the concept of copyright exists. It literally means the Right to Copy. Copyrights were made to stop bootleggers with many printing presses from undercutting a guy who had spent a good five years or more writing a novel and who sought to publish it with his one printing press. The existence of copyright also then allowed people to sell publishing rights, allowing anyone to become a writer. Capitalist solutions for socialist (specifically fascist, but do the different brands really matter?) problems.

Modern software piracy is preservation because it returns to that old model. Publishers aren't losing sales due to software piracy - said piracy simply allows people to keep finding stuff long after the original writers and developers have ended their work and been paid based on the sales. It also crucially prevents anyone - rights holder or otherwise - from removing or irrevocably tampering with a work. Want to buy Song of the South or the original Superhot? Good luck with the former, the latter is impossible. The only choices are either exorbitant secondhand sales for SotS, or piracy for both.

Yes, that's right. The full story of the game Superhot is locked behind piracy, because the developers and publishers got a shot of that ESG shit and self-censored. Preventing that is what piracy is for. Piracy is not about turning a profit from someone else's work. It's also about making sure that people remember dreck like Birth of a Nation, and then can see clearly that Dustborn is just the modern-day version of it.

OSC uses fully custom-made assets, no Nintendo property is used anywhere. Nintendo would have no legal ground to stand on - besides, OSC only serves homebrew.

FreeShop didn't serve any official Nintendo content either, it merely had the ability to. (That everyone used it for)
It got DMCA'd on the basis of the "Nintendo 3DS" splash screen upon its CIA booting up, which unlike the Game Boy era, wasn't necessary for interoperability.

 

[RandomYaps]

To preface, I was one of the people that tried to help Rii Shop in January. However, it didn't work out. The code was a mess and did not work properly, the beta was released prior to making downloads properly work, and it made press headlines too fast. They also were considering making people buy Wii Points using PayPal, which is even more stupid. I told them how stupid it was and they didnt do it. Also, people that could help refused, saying that the documentation exists and they dont want to support piracy. It ended when the Discord got locked down after things went south, then one of the admins of WiiLink decided to ping over 20k people over the untrue claim that I used it to dox people in a voice channel by displaying serial numbers / ip / console nicks. Not only I was not responsible for this, but it was made worse when immature people thought I was lying because they thought it was true because they made a ping over it. There was no proof that I did this. People started to dig up old drama about me, I was getting harassed, it was getting scary. Also, people kept spreading the drama saying to not use Rii Shop even after the project was shut down. The fact that this was attached to me and I was accused of being a person that ruined the project is unacceptable and I therefore lost faith with the Wii community because of it. To this day, there's been 4 attempts - Rii Shop Channel, Reviive Shop Channel, New Shop Channel, and LaunchShop. To this day, Rii Shop was restarted to try to be a homebrew Wii Shop replacement, Reviive is to revive the actual shop, and LaunchShop was restarted and it was a separate project that meged with Rii Shop originally. However, given the immaturity of people in the community that worked on the projects, Im surprised that there hasnt been a more proper attempt by a group thats not full of teenagers to revive the shop, because as of now I still think that none of them made dling any title from the Wii Shop properly work

So basically your saying that "Im surprised that there hasnt been a more proper attempt by a group thats not full of teenagers to revive the shop" when LaunchShop's owner is 21. Like bro?

Post automatically merged: Sep 2, 2024

I still get idiots every now and then saying rude things to me about the rii shop thing. Just got this email

You know Larsen, I will always hate you for ruining the Wii shop channel revival, how petty of you to doxx people just because. Honestly I don’t care about your stupid mistake because I don’t pay attention to shitty emails that end up in the spam filter

let's be real how do they even know your email

 

[KirbyBot]

I really hope Reviive will not "happen". One of the many bad things they did is:

• Steal code from OSC, and completely remove credit (even steal A JOKE )
• Kick sketch from their server
• Accusing other people of stealing their code (while they didn't do it, or "their" code wasn't "their")
• Saying f***ed up things about other people

and etc. The list goes on and on.
Even the fricking NSC (which I worked on) was better, because the owner just did nothing. Completely nothing.

Oh, didn't know there was that much to it...

 

[walterwhite1337]

Oh, didn't know there was that much to it...

Yea. But, to be fair, they are doing some progress.

Post automatically merged: Sep 3, 2024

yet again, Open Shop Channel is a thing

It is for homebrew. We are talking about WSC revivals. It's like comparing Coca-Cola and Pepsi-Cola. Names are similiar, but the tastes are different. Just like this. Wii Shop Channel and Open Shop Channel. The names are similiar, but the WSC is for games, and OSC is for homebrew.

 

[emilydaemon]

Capitalist solutions for socialist (specifically fascist, but do the different brands really matter?) problems.

What is it with you and socialism? Never have I seen someone hate something so much, that they base their entire online identity on it. Also, SUPERHOT is for sale on Steam - in fact, it's 70% off - if you'd done any research, you would know that--

Yes, that's right. The full story of the game Superhot is locked behind piracy, because the developers and publishers got a shot of that ESG shit and self-censored. Preventing that is what piracy is for.

Oh, of course. You're not talking about the original SUPERHOT, you're talking about SUPERHOT VR, which had an update that removed scenes regarding self harm. This was not due to "ESG shit", this was more of a retcon made based on the developers' own experiences after the initial release. I'm worried for your mental health if you consider those scenes "the full story".

So basically your saying that "Im surprised that there hasnt been a more proper attempt by a group thats not full of teenagers to revive the shop" when LaunchShop's owner is 21. Like bro?

Still full of teenagers.

let's be real how do they even know your email

Pardon? It's quite common to have your email address listed as one of the ways you can be contacted.

Even the fricking NSC (which I worked on) was better[.]

someone that joined/helped with Reviive and New Shop Channel here.

Why do you keep affiliating yourselves with these projects?

 

[walterwhite1337]

Why do you keep affiliating yourselves with these projects?

Firstly, I'm doing that because I want to. Secondly, I'm giving an example. I'm not saying "OOOH OOOH, LOOK AT ME, I WORKED ON A REVIVAL THAT DIDN'T EVEN CAME OUT, LOOK AT ME!". I'm not doing that.

 

[Pomaranczowek]

Why do you keep affiliating yourselves with these projects?

I was just giving an explaination so people won't think i came up with those realizations like five minutes before writing this

Post automatically merged: Sep 5, 2024

Also to top on this the previous developer of NSC decided to contact nintendo about it when it was taken by the other dev. I told them to not because it could be traced back to us, and I don't want to deal with nintendo problems, not right now.

 

[idkwhereisthisname]

the reviive discord server got raided, not a surprise, every shop revival always has to end like this

 

[KirbyBot]

the reviive discord server got raided, not a surprise, every shop revival always has to end like this

Yeah, and the server got deleted...

 

[Larsenv]

I don't see what's so bad about trying to not get sued.

Ive never seen nintendo go after games that you cant buy anymore

Post automatically merged: Sep 7, 2024

I really hope Reviive will not "happen". One of the many bad things they did is:

• Kick sketch from their server

lol

Post automatically merged: Sep 7, 2024

So basically your saying that "Im surprised that there hasnt been a more proper attempt by a group thats not full of teenagers to revive the shop" when LaunchShop's owner is 21

he isnt mature

 

[KokiKitsune]

Here's my opinion on this, DONT MAKE A WIISHOP REVIVAL!! The end.

-Koki

But seriously though, I agree, the Wiishop revivals are ran by teens lmao. Fun fact, the only reason they want to make a wiishop revival is either to draw attention to themselves (become famous) and because they miss their "precious wiishop."

Honestly, WiiShop revivals probably have the most drama out of all the wii community in general. Not only that but they seem to nuke each other instead of handling stuff professionally.

Conclusion? Don't make a wiishop revival. It's not worth it AT ALL!!

Sorry for my long rant

 

[KokiKitsune]

So basically your saying that "Im surprised that there hasnt been a more proper attempt by a group thats not full of teenagers to revive the shop" when LaunchShop's owner is 21. Like bro?

Post automatically merged: Sep 2, 2024

The teenager ratio is higher than the adult ratio. As far as I've seen

 

[signer-ink-beast]

Honestly, WiiShop revivals probably have the most drama out of all the wii community in general.

I agree. This is quit the shitshow. There's a lot that's gone down over the years, but this one takes the cake for biggest shitshow. Especially if this thread is any indication of it.

I don't think spoofing or reviving the Wii Shop Channel, is a great idea. Especially not if you can actually buy the actual software the original shop once hosted. Nor can it actually serve the software for free.

Note: I'm not a lawyer and my words written above in this post is not legal advice. Yada yada.

Best it can do is either work like that proof of concept previously mentioned, or re-implement the UI in an entirely new application to be above board. And/or have dummy placeholders in place of the original software, simulating the experience. Plus simulate the Wii points thing. Maybe even have a dummy code that works if they even want to simulate the "oops, invalid code" experience.

Cool for preserving the experience. That's great.

I think the more practical, above-board, alternate way would use the original shop channel as inspiration for a new Hombrew Browser (HBB). As it is now in 2024, what we have now is largely the same as what we had back then, albeit missing "the original" cache of old homebrew for the Wii that is preserved elsewhere. Using it a little, old bugs I remember from my time using the original HBB in 2009 and 2010 to whenever it went down for good are still present. Old bugs I remember, but still cannot put my finger on the why, and can't consistently reproduce perfectly.

Only ideas, of course. I want to make it clear that I'm only intending the above ideas as suggestions. Optional. Completely okay to ignore. I'm taking great effort to ensure it comes across that way, and not a bossy, "You must do only this," entitled, mean, uh... way. Long-term sleep deprivation has me making super stupid mistakes. Sorry in advance if I fucked up the delivery badly and it came across the opposite way. But I'm very not interested in partaking in whatever mess is going on here, and won't entertain either whatever all this is, or any new ones.

My gut says I have to say something despite brain going DURRR. Surely that won't backfire.

I'm not normally this paranoid. Or babblery.

 

[RandomYaps]

Ive never seen nintendo go after games that you cant buy anymore

Post automatically merged: Sep 7, 2024

lol

Post automatically merged: Sep 7, 2024

he isnt mature

You are also immature.

Ive never seen nintendo go after games that you cant buy anymore

Post automatically merged: Sep 7, 2024

lol

Post automatically merged: Sep 7, 2024

he isnt mature

You are also immature, telling me you hope I hurt myself, and nuking the ls project, along with some doxing misinformation.

Post automatically merged: Sep 25, 2024

You are also immature.
You are also immature, telling me you hope I hurt myself, and nuking the ls project, along with some doxing misinformation.

 

[Larsenv]

it was because the way you were acting was rude and pissed me off. Im sorry for losing my cool with that. I was not responsible for anything to do with nuking launch shop

 

[DartFrog]

I really hope Reviive will not "happen". One of the many bad things they did is:

• Steal code from OSC, and completely remove credit (even steal A JOKE )
• Kick sketch from their server
• Accusing other people of stealing their code (while they didn't do it, or "their" code wasn't "their")
• Saying f***ed up things about other people

and etc. The list goes on and on.
Even the fricking NSC (which I worked on) was better, because the owner just did nothing. Completely nothing.

Yeah this didnt happen

Post automatically merged: Wednesday at 6:20 AM

I really hope Reviive will not "happen". One of the many bad things they did is:

• Steal code from OSC, and completely remove credit (even steal A JOKE )
• Kick sketch from their server
• Accusing other people of stealing their code (while they didn't do it, or "their" code wasn't "their")
• Saying f***ed up things about other people

and etc. The list goes on and on.
Even the fricking NSC (which I worked on) was better, because the owner just did nothing. Completely nothing.

Yeah this didnt happen, sit down GbaTemp non-dev noobie

 

[RandomYaps]

it was because the way you were acting was rude and pissed me off. Im sorry for losing my cool with that. I was not responsible for anything to do with nuking launch shop

unblock me in discord because gbatemp keeps deleting my messages smh

 

[XFlak]

I read what you wrote before it got deleted, and am not surprised the mods took action. Keep it civil and I'm sure your posts won't be removed... you'll notice your latest post isn't being deleted.

As for asking to be unblocked... if it were me I'd only consider it if again you kept it civil, and if you said please . And even then, Larsenv has gone on record questioning whether or not to ride off into the wii scene sunset as it were. Why would he want to chat with u about wii stuff on discord if he decides he's done?

I may not know the full story between you two so maybe there are extenuating circumstances but overall based on what I know, I gotta suggest a healthy dose of 'chill out'. Just be patient and respectful and maybe you'll get to have the convo you're after. God I hope you are chasing a collaborative/productive discussion and not just wanting to argue about the past and point more fingers.