1. Scott_pilgrim

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    *sued*
     
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    Dictionary companies getting ready to sue everyone
     
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    Nope, not similar.
     
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    Well, I can understand their point of view. They do seem pretty similar and it's easier for the usual soccer mom or dad to mix them up.
     
  5. pcwizard7

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    companies can be so petty which it comes to names. Unless their name has the same name in the name or common word you shouldn't be able to sue
     
  6. LightBeam

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    Well, english is my 2nd language so I may be totally wrong but I absolutely use the same pronunciation for Unreal and Nreal
    It's literally a word, it's stupid af and again, it comes as very very hypocritical from Epic (what a surprise)
     
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    That is the reason why I chose an example with a similar sounding name in the same industry.

    It doesn't matter that they aren't currently making headsets, trademarks operate in industries not on specific products.

    VR and 3d engines are in the same industry.

    If Nreal were selling dustbins then epic wouldn't have sued.

    They are both trademarks, it doesn't matter if it's for a product or a company.

    I created an operating system and I'm going to call it Microsoft and I'm going to start a company called Windows to sell it. On the box I will put Microsoft from Windows and sell it in computer stores.

    They've been trying to sort this issue out for two years.

    https://next.reality.news/news/epic...-nreal-over-trademark-naming-dispute-0213689/

    I can't wait for you to train to be a trademark lawyer so that you understand why your argument is wrong.

    Virtual reality headsets and 3d game engines are in a related industry, it's very likely that the games you would play using the nreal headset will be running in the unreal engine.

    Microsoft and a window company are not in a related industry.

    It's like you understand this stuff, but are purposefully misunderstanding your own argument at the same time.

    nreal was obviously chosen to sound like unreal. It's not petty.

    All trademarks are literally words.

    How is it hypocritical?
     
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    Because thinking it would confuse people that Nreal is related to Unreal is a reach. One is a word from the dictionary, the other is a modification of said word and it's not even pronounced the same
    It's hypocritical because Epic does try to get the PR of a « pro consummer » company and they prove again that it's something they don't deserve
    In France we had a show called Burger Quizz, do you think Burger King would have complained about how similar the name is ? Or why Blizzard wouldn't sue Valve because of their anti cheat system called Overwatch ?

    It's just a complete reach.
    I can absolutely understand the « related industry » stuff for the average joe but you are wrong when you say that there was an intent with « nreal » to be similar to « unreal » (the engine, not the word), or it's yet to be proven because good luck proving basing your company's name over a word = meant to harm another company.

    You would be right if the company's name was « Unreal », but it's not. It's « Nreal », and it's totally different. Or Disney could sue MacDonalds because their duck almost got the same name ? Where's the point when it becomes stupid if we didn't already crossed it ?
     
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    This is as stupid as that one time the PUBG devs sued a company I can't remember because one game they made had a frying pan as a melee weapon "just like PUBG"
     
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    Next one they'll sue the maker of Portnite based on the Mreal engine.
     
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    For real? Over a name?
     
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    To be fair, the obvious overlap between Unreal and Nreal would be the Visualisation Industries, of which Unreal has been pushing for a better Market Share with their acquisition of Twinmotion.

    This has quite a large Market Potential, theoretically much larger than Gaming because the target Demographic range from Aerospace to Automotive and Architectural Industries, all of which have deep Corporate pockets for Bulk Purchasing rather than the cumulative Buying Power of the average Gamer.

    My position on this is that Nreal should try to better differentiate themselves; this doesn't necessarily require a Brand overhaul. Adding a prefix or suffix should be able to accomplish that with minimal pain.
     
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    Companies or individuals should not be able to use ordinary words as the name of their brands like that. That should be a basic rule.
     
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    This is nreal....
     
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    In America, you aren't supposed to make a living. You are supposed to have just enough to live but never enough to get ahead.
     
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    This entire situation is pretty Nreal...
     
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    I have no idea wth you are talking about. As far as I can tell, you are really reaching. Unless Nreal makes a game engine themselves, I don't see how one would confuse a game engine with a company's name. Even if the Unreal Engine supports VR, it's still a game engine by the end of the day.

    Let's put it this way, if you were to go ask someone right now what are some popular game engine out there, would you expect anyone to say Nreal as one of the answers?
     
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    I dunno why, but this seems like a bunch of cash grabs from Epic, like they're suing all these companies to get money for their failing Epic games browser?
     
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    That is not how trademark laws work though.

    It generally encompasses all of human communication -- spoken, logos, written and such.
    Pronunciation might matter but the u is pretty silent in a lot of speech and many would also pronounce words beginning with n with an uun sound. If the sales moron in the shop says this is the nreal fancy device and unreal/epic gets a call later when it is junk, or a bad review, or a non returning customer... that is not their fault and the very sort of thing trademark laws are there to try to prevent.

    They are presumably the same industry. It is not even that subjective a lot of the time -- you have trademark classifications which trademark peeps buy individual ones for.
    https://www.wipo.int/classification...ang=en&notion=class_headings&version=20190101 and broadly similar for most countries that sign up to it.
    I will have to look up for each of them ( https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/show...c&state=4801:oyadah.2.1&a_search=Submit+Query ) but I find it hard to imagine a lack of overlap in this scenario.

    Burger king vs burger quizz is presumably both different enough in name and industry (though I would wonder if mcdonalds has a trademark or two here as they do make cartoons and other such media) that it does not matter. Overwatch could be more fun, it is a general term (snipers and similar will provide overwatch for their team) and it would depend upon the customers -- the customers (and it is the general consumer that trademarks are aimed for, sometimes it is specialist, sometimes it is the general public) for anti cheat software possibly not being as confused as those looking for a game.

    Trademark law has a concept called genericide. This is where lack of action taken to protect it means the word becomes a generic term for a product and the trademark ceases to be. This is generally considered a bad thing if you are the owner of the trademark as they are valuable things to own.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27026704
    https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/...-require-companies-tirelessly-censor-internet
    Failing to monitor your business field and allowing others to make use of it, along with using things as a verb yourself (there is a reason google does not "google it" in any PR piece you will read).

    To that end this seems like a reasonable thing to take a stand on. Whether absolutely essential or theoretically able to left we might debate but far from unreasonable from where I sit.
     
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    classic apple bulshit just in another companies wrapper steve jobs probably wrote a manual on how to sue before his death @FAST6191 you're eff.org link that i read prove otherwise that trademarks can't be "deluded" it's a myth
     
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