Hacking End To Future Homebrew?

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This seems to be fatal to the homebrew community. =(
How do you guys perceive the impact?
Will BootMii, HackMii, and Team Twiizers be no more?

"The new rules, which go into effect Oct. 28, will let consumers jailbreak or root their smartphones, but not tablet computers and home gaming consoles." --Fox News
 

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I shall have to read more and damned if I will let Fox be the one to try to make sense of the ruling.

Still it has always been something of a grey area and moreover many hackers make a point of not being the US. That is not to say the removal of the US hacking would not be devastating though.

I once watched a presentation on iphone security and they took great pains to distinguish between the baseband firmware (useful for network unlocks) and IOS (useful for homebrew) and this leads to my reservations about having Fox try to make sense of the ruling/rules. Beyond that the distinction between phone, tablet, console and otherwise is probably only being held together by the mess it would likely make of patents; functionally if the distinction even exists now then it will not in a few years time. I would expect some might claw to things like "needs to have a wide transmission area" to distinguish between phones and otherwise though built in 3g, city level/mesh wifi and VOIP of various forms make that at best a tenuous argument, I can certainly see it slipping past a judge though so I am not ready to be assured of things.
 

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I bet that this will have no impact at all.

You bought the hardware so it's your thing to do with it as you please.
Want to run over it with a truck.
Go ahead, no one will stop you cause you bought it.
 

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Can't see any big change in there, and btw, what do they wanna do against it? Break into your house to see if your wii is hacked or not? :P
 

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It never was legal in the US to begin with, not like that stopped the hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of people in the country who have hacked consoles. The most a company can reasonably do without wasting large sums of money pursuing people is ban them from the online services for violating the TOS.

The reason they mentioned this in that story was because some group was pushing for it to be made legal as a temporary exemption. They did not succeed.

Besides, if the DMCA were heavily enforced by actual law enforcement, most people in the country would probably be in jail or bankrupt from lawsuits. The DMCA is enforced mostly by the companies who produce the content, and many companies do little to nothing, mostly because it's expensive and pointless to fight a war that's impossible to win.

As a result, they just sue a few major offenders every now and then to make an example out of 'em.
 

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It never was legal in the US to begin with, not like that stopped the hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of people in the country who have hacked consoles. The most a company can reasonably do without wasting large sums of money pursuing people is ban them from the online services for violating the TOS...
I would argue this. It WAS legal to circumvent systems for the purpose of interoperability. The Homebrew Channel was NOT illegal to install in the US. Now it is.

"The new rules also prohibit cracking game consoles such as PlayStations and Xboxes in order to run applications and software not intended by the maker."
 

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So smartphones that are nowadays interchangeable with tablets, okay on one but not the other, what if you cross the stream? Is it illegal then?
 

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So smartphones that are nowadays interchangeable with tablets, okay on one but not the other, what if you cross the stream? Is it illegal then?
I thought this one was quite dumb myself.

Many tablets run the same OSes as phones (especially iOS and Android), can consume much of the same content from their respective markets, and are sometimes vulnerable to the exact same exploits.

Odds are good that little in the way of lawsuits will actually come under this rule.
 

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Illegal or not, I doubt any of this ruling will effect the homebrew scene drastically. Homebrews and all things that come with it have always lurked in a gray area and attempts to stop it have been done many times through out the years and each attempt has always failed. Not to mention it's a pure witch hunt to track down every single user using homebrews and even greater more expensive chase trying to stop those using homebrews for illegal purposes.
No official court ruling will change this nor will it effect the scene.

Not to mention the source you post is Fox News, so I doubt they got the full story or if they did, they just edited to the parts they wanted to hear.
I suggest finding a better source than Fox.
 

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I'd just like to try and add some clarification here. Here's the legal document relating to this: https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2012-26308.pdf

The relevant section is Section IV. B., Under the title of "IV. Classes Considered But Not Recommended"

A few choice quotes:

Proponents sought an exemption from Section 1201(a)(1) to permit such jailbreaking of video game consoles. Because the class they proposed would enable interoperability only with “lawfully obtained software programs,” proponents asserted that the exemption would not authorize or foster infringing activities.

EFF explained that a “large community” of console jailbreakers currently exists for all three major video game consoles but noted that such jailbreakers face potential liability under Section 1201(a)(1).

The Register therefore concluded that proponents had failed to establish that the prohibition on circumvention, as applied to video game console code, is causing substantial adverse effects.

But the Register concluded that in the case of gaming platforms [...] Console access controls protect not only the integrity of the console code, but the copyrighted works that run on the consoles. In so doing, they provide important incentives to create video games and other content for consoles, and thus play a critical role in the development and dissemination of highly innovative copyrighted works.

Because the Register determined that the evidentiary record failed to support a finding that the inability to circumvent access controls on video game consoles has, or over the course of the next three years likely would have, a substantial adverse impact on the ability to make noninfringing uses, the Register declined to recommend the proposed class.

Although NTIA did not support the exemption as requested by proponents, it did support a limited exemption to allow videogame console owners to repair or replace hardware components, or to “obtain unlicensed repairs when the console is out of warranty or when the console and authorized replacement parts are no longer on the market.” As explained above, however, the Register found that the record lacked any factual basis upon which to recommend the designation of even such a limited class.

To summarise, the EFF sought an exemption to an existing law, under which homebrew is illegal [in the US]. The Register (of Copyrights) did not recommend this exemption be granted. By my understanding, the Librarian of Congress then decides the ruling based on these recommendations. In this case, the recommendation of the Register was accepted, and no exemption was granted. So nothing actually changed. (It is interesting to note that NTIA, another government body involved in the process did feel it was acceptable to perform modifications where necessary to repair a console, but the Register disregarded that due to lack of evidence).

For a bit of background on the law in question:

Section 1201(a)(1)(A) provides, in part, that “[n]o person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected” by the Copyright Act. In order to ensure that the public will have the continued ability to engage in noninfringing uses of copyrighted works, however, subparagraph (B) limits this prohibition.

As I understand it, the proposal was to amend subparagraph (B) so as to add additional limitations to subparagraph (A) i.e. exemptions.

Now obviously I'm not a lawyer, so I can't guarantee I am getting this all right, but I think it is quite plainly clear that nothing has actually changed in legal terms. The law has not changed with regards to homebrew. By my understanding, DMCA prohibits it, but that has been discussed to death many times with no universally accepted conclusion. The point is, this ruling makes no difference, because it doesn't change anything.
 

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