1. cots

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    So it seems the Liberal fantasies of stating that being obese is healthy and that we should legalize drug use is really paying off. NBC is reporting about how the life expectancy of Americans is dropping and that these "excess deaths" — that is, people who die years and even decades before they're expected to is a distinctly American phenomenon. They go about listing various causes, but they all fact back on lack of exercise, lack of proper nutrition and substance abuse. You know, the stuff CNN posts monthly about claiming stuff like obesity is the new normal and it's perfectly healthy and okay to be fat, or that a bad diet doesn't make you obese, or you can exercise as much as humanly possibly and you won't lose weight or that legalizing dangerous drugs in is a good thing (or that it's a bad thing that private schools are drug testing kids).

    NBC then tries to dive into the psychological thought process of the people destroying their lives and the economic reasoning behind their thought patterns, but at the end of the day, regardless of why people are motivated to abuse drugs, drink a lot, not exercise and eat like shit thus ending up depressed and in turn killing themselves (pro-tip: they're miserable for choosing to do participate in these negative behaviors) all of these are the choices in the end that are killing off the general public. The solution is pretty simple when you think about it - stop choosing to participate in negative behaviors.

    Hey, Liberal Americas. You're simply asking for it. Maybe you should "woke up" a bit?

    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...ng-middle-aged-adults-reversing-life-n1091316

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    So I came across this: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2756187 - It's the report NBC used from the Journal of the American Medical Association for their news article.

    I also wanted to say I wouldn't be mentioning the "leftist media" if they weren't promoting the deadly habits that are killing people. NBC is more of a "left of center" page, but drugs, mental problems and obesity surely don't care who you voted for. They'll kill you regardless of your political affiliation.
     
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    I dare say you might be accused of twisting facts to support your narrative here.

    Is the healthy at every size a liberal* concept or just a dumb cunt concept? Or if the former finds itself at least a subset of that are there not mirrors on the various other aspects of the spectrum?

    *Rolling around in the deep fried south, the sort of places where the only threat to a right wing candidate is a further right one, one also encounters many a dubious justification for poor diet.

    Drug use. A problem but are notions of personal drug use the issue or a combination of overprescription and fuck all to do? Just as an old person will often continue on doing a job then get most people to sit around all day or generally lead unfulfilling lives (all too easy to do)
     
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    Yes, definitely more discussions about suppressed minorities within minorities societal importance is needed, as the political drive of our time. *sarcasm*

    Now do that without actually discriminating against minority rights ( because democracy, and decency) and I'm with you.

    The 'fight' against wokeness as such also is a trap along the same lines. Figuratively speaking, imho.

    In austria we currently have a public discussion about the student representation of a liberal arts college writing a public letter of discontent, against the practice of the college to invite one of the earliest public sphere feminists in the country to speak in front of students because of - and I quote -

    "Her old brand of feminism, and her anti-muslim racism."

    (There wasn't a large public debate about any of that, regarding that person before - and arguably, from a mainstream position - one also isnt needed.)

    With what amounts of sarcasm, do you think I'm viewing that debate?

    But thats the thing - everything else (politically) is so unequivocally 'without alternatives' that its easier to fight for the moral rights of the one percent of suppressed (not talking about 'tha one percent' (slogan)) minorities.

    And yes this also is an argument on my behalf to keep some things in the closet. Even though it doesnt have to be. But then we all have facebook morals now - and everyone at least must have the opportunity to live their own group reality - or else they would be publicly lynched.

    I mean, we all are living post privacy, right?

    edit: On topic: Read this one before as well, and thought about posting it also. Good find. Those are topics of actual (large scale) societal importance.
     
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    I think micro plastics and various chemicals in the food and water supplies are a big contributor here, but whether or not that can ever be admitted by any of the fake journalists and scientists is another issue completely. There are too many billions of dollars and the entire way things are now done at stake.
     
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    First hint. The world is made from chemical compounds. (Just a reminder that a more descriptive language is needed. *Chemicals be bad* is sort of a popular discussion, but not a very fruitful one.)

    Also no on microplastics, because this is a trend 'specific' to the US right now - and not in other western cultures.

    Research on why this is happening will probably follow. :) So ultimately we wont have to guess.
     
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    Could it be that most Americans don't have access to healthcare, while working long hours in stressful jobs that don't provide adequate physical activity and barely pay the rent? Could it be our lack of public transit that discourages walking? Could it be food deserts that cause many of the poor to not be able to find nutritious food and recent cuts to SNAP, Medicaid and other programs that make them buy the cheaper, less healthy foods and even less able to see a doctor? Is it tax payer dollars given as food subsidies to big agribusiness to grow unhealthy foods like corn and sell them as processed foods loaded with chemicals? Is it the wide availability of those unhealthy foods, while access to nutritious meals takes time, effort, money, and advance planning.

    Nah, must be "liberal" policies like paid vacation and sick time, an enforced 40 hour work week, and free healthcare. After all the USA doesn't have those things, so clearly this country should have a higher life expectancy than "socialist" countries like Norway and pretty much the rest of Europe. Yet it doesn't. Even Communist Cuba has higher life expectancy then the USA.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
     
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    No. It's simpler than that.

    The article answers the question in two segments.


    Sounds too simple, too uncomplicated ... but it's the economy. In places in America where the middle class was once booming, now it's all gone to shit. It's enough to make a person shoot heroin.
     
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    I thought it would be obvious, but you're right that I should have been descriptive in pointing out man made chemical compounds specifically such as pesticides, pharmaceuticals, and whatever the hell a bunch of "food" is made out of.

    The life expectancy in UK has also seen a recent drop and several other EU nations are experiencing what they are calling a "slowdown".

    It is difficult to say for sure and hard to accept that all of this is simply from drug abuse and suicide.
     
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    How has the life exectancy in the UK seen a recent drop?


    Across the UK as a whole, life expectancy has not changed at all between 2015 and 2019 - remaining at 79.2 years for men and 82.9 years for women.
     
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    Well done, fantastic, you've just debunked depression as a whole. Fucking lazy fatties amirite?

    /thread
     
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    It has still dropped, and by as much as 6 months by some sources, even if it has stalled at that rate since then.
     
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    Yes and the only reason it dropped was a massive flu outbreak in the uk in that period which is reported in your very link. There was no other reasons for the small decline. Sure the figure hasn't yet went back up but its also more importantly not went down.
     
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    Nothing you can do about it. It is only getting worse everyday. It is not getting better, period.
     
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    That's not what it says. It says Mail Online attempted to spin it that way.

    "Increased deaths caused by flu outbreaks or pneumonia were only found in 3 countries: Italy, Germany and the US."
     
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    This is from an official UK government website it is about the flu outbreak of 2015 and states in it the life expectancy drop was due to that very outbreak.

    https://publichealthmatters.blog.go...highlights-the-importance-of-flu-vaccination/
     
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    Now thats the ultimate lets frame everything the way you want. So you can still be right. ;)

    1. The 'I thought it was obvious that I meant them bad chemicals' argument is none. If you are not specific (- so pesticides are around since when?) All you are adding is structural prejudice. By an ene, mene, mini, mo - method of deliberation.

    2. Life expectancy increase seeing a drop off in general is not the same as dying off - structurally - for unexpected causes.

    3. This isnt a single issue, issue - because life expectancy in general was always offset by gains in overall increase of life expectancy. So if you are on a 'i knew it, its the damn pesticides - or whatever is in the food' trip, they killed you since the 1950s.

    So if this is a new structural issue - the question is always 'whats changed' and speculation, based on the bad image of certain compounds, is excactly whats not needed ('chemicals' in the form of phosphates are what currently feeds a 7.5 billion world population). Even if it turns out to be caused by that damn chemicals in the end. (We currently dont know.)

    Its far more likely that it is a combination of work environment changes, mixed in with general decline in economic outlook - and maybe even psychological elements of living in 'not so well of parts of society in the US'. (Less tendency to see a doctor, higher suicide rates, ...), Maybe. Thats my speculation.

    Could also be those damn bad chemicals. But then, why dont they kill off the old folks - (which would be expected) first, if its a 'compounding over the life cycle' issue.

    Thats the rough cut. You could still be correct in your assessment, its just that yours is not the obvious framing.
     
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    The solution is simple;

    Stop abusing substances
    Exercise More
    Eat Better

    This will solve all the "other" causes of death.

    Yes, it's easier said then done, but at the end of the day if you simply chose to life a healthy life your life expecting will greatly increase.

    If you stop abusing substances (weed, alcohol, tobacco, deadly drugs, prescription pills, etc... ), exercise more and eat better this will cure the majority of physical contributions to depression. The other factors (psychological) can be cured by changing the behaviors that produce negative feelings (like lying, cheating, stealing, adultery, promiscuity (they do all fall back on Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, Envy and Pride)). As depression is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain curing it can be as simple as stopping the behaviors that cause the chemical imbalance (everything you think produces chemicals in your brain that then make you feel the way you do). Unless you have neurological defects in the brain (physical defects) (hint: most people don't) depression is a pretty curable thing.

    It's basically depression is caused by a chemical imbalance. Your behaviors and life style choices (like eating bad and not exercising) is causing the brain to produce this imbalance of chemicals. You could slap a band-aid on it (take anti-depressants), but if you rather cure the problem just change the behaviors that are causing the imbalance. There's no need to keep slapping band-aid on something that's not going to heal (the drugs you're using as band-aids are expensive and harm your body) when you can simply chose to stop the bleeding the heal the wound. Although, there's an entire industry built around taking advantage of depressed people that claims drugs are their only option. I'm sure they might disagree with me.

    Per your sarcastic quote. If you're obese that comes with it's own set of negative outcomes. Various medical problems will follow; each making you feel worse and producing more of those "feel bad" chemicals in your brain. The longer you stay obese the worse things are going to get and the harder it's going to be to go back and fix things. So yes, most "Fucking lazy fatties" are going to feel bad and for them, unless they change, it's only going to get worse.

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    Seeings as the Liberals are constantly attacking the middle class and think they should all be responsible for paying for people that simply don't want to work and sit on their asses all day long, eating fast food and doing drugs (while a lot of them are in the country illegally) simply because they rather not work I can understand how that would make them feel bad. How would you feel if you had to work 40 hours a week to simply get by knowing that the money being taken from your taxes is being used to provide everything these lazy bums need or simply want when there's nothing preventing them from working. However, just because the Liberals are out to destroy my life doesn't make it their fault for me making bad decisions in my own life. If I were abusing substances, not exercising and eating poorly thus causing me to become depressed that would be my fault and my fault alone. Seeings as I've been there and done that I completely understand the mindset, which is why I can't agree with or condone it.
     
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    depressino can cause ppl to be obese too I'm one of them and i don't do drugs on the contrary i want to experiment with CBD to try to combat my bi polar type 2 (yes bi polar has 2 classifications type 2 has mania depression and agression type one has no agression)
     
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