Does it concern you Microsoft's spying on you with Windows 10?

Do you give a rats ass Microsoft could be spying on you?

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  • I'm not sure

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Tomobobo

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I guess it happened first on win8 but all the bs about integrating an online account with your local machines user account seems silly to me and its a wonder that anyone would do it. Associating a live or other online account to my windows installation is the least desireable, and that's just the damn login.

Then windows wants to log my browsing history and my habits both online and locally to form an advertising profile for me. Want to use cortana? Oh first please allow M$ to have a constant rdp connection. Wanna try an app from the windows store? No problem just integrate an unassociated online account which will be spread out through the whole system, allowing further access into your personal life.

I feel like the only person in the world who isn't a dumb fucking retard just waiting to spend my money on digital goods. Just sitting, waiting, hoping somebody gives me a pop up for a miriad of digital subscriptions that never end. The entire os is built around what M$ hopes is a brain dead redneck with a fat wallet and its kinda gross.
 
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Does it concern you virtually every online service you've ever signed up for "spies on you"? Got a Gmail account? Congratulations, you're being "spied on" by Google. Got a Facebook account? Same. Twitter? Instagram? eBay? People don't seem to realize that the data they collect has virtually no value beyond marketing research and search optimization, not a single company or organization cares if you like watching torture porn, beyond trying to sell you torture porn. People are just bitching for the sake of bitching, as always. If people don't want their precious youtube history seen, they might as well leave the internet.

Or not log into Youtube, use anti-tracker extensions, log into gmail only long enough to check your email, use tor, etc. Honestly, though, Windows 10 takes it up a notch by monitoring everything you type and not even really totally disabling the monitoring even when you disable it. Put another way, I can take reasonable steps to avoid or minimize my use of other spying software. But if the spying software is the OS, I basically have to avoid or minimize using that OS.

There isn't any actual spying going on, it just collects various bits of data like what you search for or asking Cortana questions or what you check out on the Microsoft Store...AKA what everyone else does. The only difference is Microsoft comes out and just tells people they're collecting the data, so everyone just assumes Microsoft now has access to their bank accounts and they can tell all their friends they like looking at horse dicks. :rolleyes:

Actually, no, they haven't been any more forthright about the details of what they're collecting. It's been precisely because people have used packet sniffers that they've figured out the degree of (but not the kind of) monitoring done by Windows 10. And by extension, they've also discovered that Windows 7 has gotten "updates" that incorporate such monitoring as well.

This is only a thing for Microsoft software only...which is absolutely within their rights as the owners of that software. Might as well start bitching at Nintendo for blocking flashcards, it's the same thing.

Beyond the fact that there is good reason to bitch at Nintendo for blocking flashcards--hint: this is a large reason why 3DS games cost so much compared to mobile games, why there's such a small collection of actual games for the system, etc and that all reduces the value of a purchased 3DS--, the point in question is not about "bitching" about anything. It's about raising awareness for people to avoid usage of software, for valid reasons, in the first place.

So, a better analogy would be if Android were to start banning unapproved microSD cards in a new version of Android. To argue that people shouldn't "bitch" about it seems crazy, since it's clearly an anti-consumer act. And for people to raise awareness and avoid it now when they can to hopefully stop it from being the norm is a good thing. Otherwise, you get to the point where Nintendo is at banning flashcards or where online services all seem to want to monitor you and you can only try desperately hard to avoid that monitoring. The fact that, until now, it's only been for sleazy marketing--as honestly, the whole notion of targeted ads makes no sense except to try to manipulate people into buying specific brands of extant products and not to inform people of a wide range of available products--doesn't change the issue that data breaches do happen and company policies can change which can radically undermine, embarrass, extort, etc you in ways you'd think otherwise weren't possible. *cough*Ashley Madison*couch*

PS - To all those people who think they can use a hosts file or a firewall to block Windows 10, good luck. It might work. It might not (nothing to stop an update to include more monitoring and more servers). But, then, fundamentally if you don't have access to the source and an ability to compile it, you're at the mercy of others to do with you as they please. At least for a while, I agree that their desires are on your bank account and the law will prevent outright fraud or conversion. I don't think that'll last, though, especially if people are so willing to accept the notion that one has to not only take proactive opt-out steps, when those opt-outs are so spread out to be nearly impossible to be fully covered without a substantial guide, but also to expect to explicitly block access when those opt-outs aren't even fully respected. Bitch now, bitch often? :)
 

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You only give as much info you want.
Windows 10's Cortana can be turned off.
Windows 10 hotmail login can be switched to old user login.

If you switch off Cortana and login using a regular user account instead of your hotmail, you give MS zero data.
At end of the day, you only give as much data as you want to give.

But Google on the other hand thats a completely different story, you cannot even turn off search engine suggestion on google, where as MS Bing gives you a choice.

I wouldn't worry about data mining from MS, but Google is the real danger, they're ambitions for global domination is far too outstretching.
Google needs to be the one people need to worry about. Don't let their happy go lucky Oreo cookie eating non corporate facade fool you, Google is a dangerous company far more so than MS will ever be.
 
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unfortunately @KSP, that is incorrect. Have any of you actually read the traffic analysis that was done about windows 10?
http://aeronet.cz/news/analyza-wind...rmaci-o-uzivateli-jeho-prstech-ocich-a-hlasu/
The post was done by a Czech, I believe, so you will have to use google translate or similar.

First, telemetry can be switched off ONLY on Enterprise LTSB(Long Term Support Branch).
Second, any blocking to the hosts file for Microsoft's servers is worthless. They have hardcoded the IPs into the OS, bypassing the hosts file completely
"Disabling" Cortana doesn't stop Cortana from sending out information.

If you really want to stop the spying, you have to use a third party firewall like tinywall, which I wouldn't put much trust in in case if it is bypassed, or you can block the IPs at the router level.
You are naive if you believe that disabling the setting within the OS is preventing it from sending data to Microsoft.
 

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MS has always been sending data on their OS back to MS.

Its just if you do not agree to Cortana's terms of use, they CANNOT LEGALLY collect private data.

If you've ever used Windows 10, you'll know that before turning on Cortana, MS forces you to sign a waiver to your personal data. If you refuse to accept the terms of use agreement, Cortana cannot be implemented.

This is a legal matter, not just a software matter. MS cannot legally send and collect your personal data unless you allow them to. Don't believe me, install a new Windows 10 and try to turn on Cortana for the first time, and watch the data collection waiver popup, you don't accept and Cortana stays off.

Now other data such as OS patches and stability get sent to MS regardless.
 
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I would love to see a wireshark dump proving that cortana does stay off if you refuse the data collection. From what I know, Cortana is really baked into the OS, and continues to send data even if she is "disabled or removed".
 

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microsoft was always spying for as far i know, but now they went admitting it, big deal. as long as they don't understand thier own programmed bugs in thier system, i doubt they understand any shit they get by spying.
 

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For the paranoid: get a good router with HTTP and HTTPS blocking and block all MS IP ranges. Sure you won't be able to update but you will have peace of mind. :lol:
 

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For the truly paranoid, don't use the internet, stay out of sight from CCTV/web cameras, never own a phone, only venture out of your bomb shelter/basement for supplies (food, etc), and wear a tin foil hat.
Well, best to live on the rural side of the country and whenever they'd visit a store they would have to cover it somehow. Doesn't seem like a good way to live life trying to be "anonymous".

It's not like it matters. The cameras are there for protection and to know everyone who used their services.
 

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There's millions of Windows 10 installs
Ms isn't gonna look at everyone, its probably just sorted by software on a server.

Nope. People are babies. "M-Muy information!" Too late, everyone else already has your info, and what damage has it caused? Do you really think you are important enough to merit Microsoft or any other company to look your way? No.

Look guise, it's the "nothing to hide" argument again.
And then they claim the counter arguments aren't original/don't have a reliable source.

The fact is, nobody knows for sure. Why? Because it's a company secret. Only they know what they do with the data, and why they even need it in the first place. All else is just rumors and hearsay, except for some evidence of some data sent to microsoft (but people aren't even completely sure about the extent of that), and microsoft's privacy policy.
For all we know, there could be some guy in MS fapping at your browser history because he enjoys the same porn, or not.

I always advise people to think for themselves, especially when it's a case in which there just aren't any decisive arguments.
Read up on it, hear different sides of the story and different perspectives (if you manage to not to go mad from all the shitposting), and weigh your options.

As for myself, I don't like knowing that operations which I'm not aware about are taking place with my data. So, I try to avoid things that send my data, or things I don't know what they do with the data they're provided as much as I feel confortable with. With emphasis on "try", because it's not always possible or convenient.
Privacy Badger is a good start if you are concerned (or even when you are not, because you most probably won't notice it)
 
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For all we know, there could be some guy in MS fapping at your browser history because he enjoys the same porn, or not.
:rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2:
I died when I read that. You made my day! :yay:

On what you said, I personally don't trust most privacy/tracking extension companies more so than Microsoft. If Microsoft really has hidden stuff and all my disabling has done nothing, fine they earned it, I use their product. :whip:
 

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well... https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/default.aspx says:
Content. We collect content of your files and communications when necessary to provide you with the services you use. This includes: the content of your documents, photos, music or video you upload to a Microsoft service such as OneDrive. It also includes the content of your communications sent or received using Microsoft services, such as the:

  • subject line and body of an email,
  • text or other content of an instant message,
  • audio and video recording of a video message, and
  • audio recording and transcript of a voice message you receive or a text message you dictate.

and also:

Cortana:
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Microsoft collects and uses various types of data, such as your device location, data from your calendar, the apps you use, data from your emails and text messages, who you call, your contacts and how often you interact with them on your device.
They doesn't say WHAT kind of "data" so.........

This in the privacy statement, the one that you accepted (without reading) when you installed windows 10
 
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They doesn't say WHAT kind of "data" so.........
This in the privacy statement, the one that you accepted (without reading) when you installed windows 10
The "Content." paragraph is nothing nefarious. They are saying they analyze files you push through OneDrive and any microsoft services [e.g. Outlook, MS apps]. There is a good chance they just read the file extension, but I won't get into that, I will stick with what it says.

For Cortana, the 'data' is probably the subject lines, length of context, and the body format (to see if this person is 'business' or 'personal.' Cortana needs access to those things above to work correctly. It's supposed to be like a real personal assistant- think of a secretary.
 
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