Do you think that hackers will ever take full control of the switch?

Discussion in 'Switch - Exploits, Custom Firmwares & Soft Mods' started by Parax342, Oct 8, 2019 at 1:05 AM.

  1. TPMJB

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    4.1 can run Pegaswitch and that's what you're referring to, correct?
     
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  2. FAST6191

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    As was mentioned full control to most people playing in these circles means any part of the hardware can be accessed and played with. To the best of my knowledge we have that with the Switch and have had from basically the first public hacks (and probably some of the private ones too if the abilities there were anything to go by, and have subsequently developed into) -- there is still some ambiguity with the tiny security section (though access to that has been theoretically available thanks to an exploit in its hardware for longer still) but for all intents and purposes you can run anything at any privilege level you want, speak to any part of hardware you want at full speed/capabilities and the ability to do this is available to just about anybody that cares to spend a bit of money or get lucky with version and model numbers.

    For instance about 5 minutes after the launch of the PS3 it was noted that the java of the blu ray player could be used to do homebrew, and the otherOS stuff the earlier models and firmwares for it had also facilitated some things. However java is obviously very limited and otheros also lacked the ability to reach out and play with aspects of the 3d system. Alternatively if you looked at some of the earlier DSi hacks then you could not speak to some of the extra hardware the DSi has with some of those hacks (I can't recall the full reasoning but I am guessing the code intercepted for it did not have support for it and thus was blocked).
    Or we can go other ways as any number of systems have had piracy hacks but not necessarily homebrew (or modded games, cheats and region free, and DLC and download only titles for more modern devices) -- the early wii mod chips (prior to trucha anyway), the xbox 360 dvd* modding (as well as PIRS install and aspects of LIVE2CON there), and the likes of the 3ds' Sky3DS cart family (only original games in region, unless chained with another hack) all being good examples of this. Sometimes such hacks do have perks though -- give or take banwaves you could easily take a DVD modded 360 onto the online service where the other hacks could not, and the sky3ds was a drop in and play flash cart where custom firmware at the time were often tedious to do and unstable as well (and limited to systems that did said hacks -- you could lend out your sky3ds to a friend, harder to lend a custom firmware).

    *technically king kong existed during this but it was very hard to sort everything needed for, the later JTAG/SMC and RGH family of mods would change this a bit.

    What you sound like you are going for it more of a software launched (or one time hardware mod) that will go from a cold boot, one maybe not restricted by model date or current firmware. Historically I don't think we have any unhacked consoles at this point (or near as does not matter -- there might be some very late stage models or some rare addons/side models that have stuff undumped or only recently fallen, but anybody that wants a hackable device can pick one up on the open market and get to it with various levels of difficulty) but such things usually come towards the end of life for the consoles in question if they are tough ones (sometimes also when the original company gives up on it and thus is not there to frustrate continued efforts, or focus efforts on successor devices). Just because it has always happened does not mean it will have to continue -- I can envisage a security setup that lasts as there are plenty of such devices that have install bases on something of a par game consoles and possibly even more motivation to hack them (cable and satellite TV boxes are a good example here).
     
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  3. RHOPKINS13

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    Yes, that's exactly what I'm referring to.
     
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  4. ZachyCatGames

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    We already have full control over practically everything :P. Fusee Gelee is probably one of the most powerful exploits on any console, it gives you full control over (almost) everything before any part of the OS loads

    If you’re wanting untethered hax , that will never happen

    Yes, but good luck bruteforcing an RSA2048 key.
     
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  5. Josshy0125

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    I still find this unlikely and disagree heavily with this pessimistic statement.
     
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  6. Insane

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    That's the whole point of public key crypto, to be able to exactly NOT do that...
     
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  7. ZachyCatGames

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    Ok fine, if someone bruteforces the pk1ldrhax key or the RSA key we’ll get untethered hax. But the likelihood of either of those ever happening in the near future is: “lol”
     
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  8. Josshy0125

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    I still think that's silly to believe that the liklihood is "lol". That's really pessimistic. All systems are hacked, "unteathered" eventually. Even if Scires can't find anything at this point in time, does not mean nobody will in the future. Especially since it's a popular console for hacking, I am 100% sure that both an untetheathered solution, AS WELL as a lite hack WILL happen eventually. If you believe otherwise, you're not very bright.
     
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  9. Phenj

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    Can someone close this thread or move it somewhere else? It's completely useless, and OP clearly doesn't know of what he's talking about.
     
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  10. Parax342
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    that is correct. but why not have it around.
     
  11. ZachyCatGames

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    Note: I made an edit to that post almost immediately (within ~20 seconds) after making it, adding “ in the near future”.

    Yes, untethered will eventually be possible, but not anytime in the near future. pk1ldrhax will be possible in the distant future on 6.1.0 when computers are a lot more powerful, though by then I don’t know if people will still give a shit enough to actually do it, so I wouldn’t bet on a usable version ever being released. And yes, the Lite will also be hacked, through software, only on 8.0.x, it may even be possible to partially run atmosphere.
     
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  12. smf

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    It's not the most powerful. Boot2 on the wii was better.
     
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  13. Resaec

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    How is Boot2 more powerful than FuseeGelee?
     
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    I read that things like a moonlight app isn't possible because we don't have full access to the gpu or something like that. So we don't have FULL access or else moonlight would be feasible.(I know u can do moonlight via android)
     
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  15. Lacius

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    Fusée Gelée pretty much allows for full control on unpatched systems. The fact that it's a tethered exploit doesn't change that.
     
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  16. ZachyCatGames

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    I don’t know much about Wii stuff. Does that exploit get ran before execution is handed over to the OS?
     
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  17. 8BitWonder

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    If I remember right, it executes in the last part of the booting process (Boot2) before Nand or any IOS is touched.
    (I'm a bit hazy on Wii too though, so someone correct me if I'm wrong).
     
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  18. Draxzelex

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    Didn't think this thread would have become popular but might as well throw my 2 cents on what the noobs do not seem to understand. An untethered coldboot exploit would be worse than our current tethered coldboot exploit because it would require you to be on a certain firmware version. This not only means you will be in a similar boat to patched units (minus the supernag) but you will have to make use of emuMMC to update your firmware and even use online. So yeah, Fusee Gelee is the best exploit for the Switch and will remain this way even if someone releases an untethered coldboot hack.
     
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  19. xabier

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    10€ dongles and autorcm make fusee Gelee awesome. Stock clean console experience + fully hacked sandbox sounds like the best deal in console hacking to me. You can even cheap out and not buy the dongle and the jig.
     
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  20. scionae

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    Well, same situation happened with the PSVita. 3.65 wasn't supposed to be hacked for how many years again? Never lose hope.
     
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