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  1. Earth97

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    "Do you believe in a god?"
    If I wanted to, how could I choose one of them? I should just go for one that fits the bill (in this particular case, my needs), but that would be only the fruit of my imagination, an "occasional" god, that answers my questions, that makes my life easy and meaningful.
    I cannot lie to myself: there's no such thing in the entire Universe (and out of it) and, most important, there's no such thing before the Universe, as that would imply something that created it, a second god, and so on.
    There's no answer to the initial question, as the self-same question is pointless: if there are more gods, no-one of them can be choosen. If there is only one, we can't know.
     
  2. TheDarkGreninja

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    You do know what I mean by religious studies, right? Religious studies doesn't force you to be religious, it asks you to understand and think about other peoples views, rather than to think only about your own views and be ignorant of the outside world, that doesnt think like you. Yes, there are negatives but, at least here in England, we learn about the negatives and debate them. My little brother is a lot more open-minded than a lot of people I meet on the street. After all, it was ignorance that made us brits leave the EU.
     
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    too bad i know exactly what you mean have been kept in religious school, church, later muslims around...it didn't change a thing what religious group it was, it's not as open minded as they make you believe... but then again it took me almost 30 years to see it for myself... i thought the same way and always tried to defend religions as making me and others better people towards those around me... but it doesn't for real... when i really got to talk to those that needed talking they showed me how the words i said and were teached me to tell in difficult times hurted them even more than the situations they were in... telling someone it's okay to be gay for example but not to practice is impossible for one to be gay... how would it be for you? to be said you can be hetero sexual have feelings and love towards a female and all, but you can't practice? i mean this means no holding hands in the park, not kissing, not touching... try andthink free for just a moment... cause you say they are free, but serously what is this freedom you talk about?
     
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    I went to a public school, with no religious bias, I could link the website if you want. I dont understand what youre getting at. As i had said you cant practice sodomy because it is believed to be unatural. You talk about "seeing the truth" yet you fail to point out what this "truth" is.
     
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  5. mashers

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    Wanna bet?


    Says who?
     
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    I was talking about the Islamic viewpoint.
     
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    Ok, but to say that somebody can't do something because of that viewpoint is illogical. The Islamic viewpoint on sexuality is not relevant to me whatsoever.
     
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    I dont think you undertsand, if you look further back, I was always talking about the islamic viewpoint, I wasnt commanding him lol.
     
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    Yes I know :rofl2: I simply meant that a viewpoint isn't sufficient to sway my view, and it shouldn't be that way for anybody really. Unless it's a logical or moral argument of course (not just because it's written in some book...)
     
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    ? IMO its logical enough, I dont believe it is natural and theres no scientific evidence or use for it that would make me think that sodomy is an evolutionary trait, needed for humanities survival.
     
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    And plenty of it is also denied by other sources.

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    Of course it is. It's a method of population control. Think how much more overpopulated Earth would be if practicing homosexuals were reproducing instead.
     
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    Lol that sounds like people just "take on for the team" and choose to be gay to help population.

    I read this recently. Obviously homosexuality isn't the result of DNA because then identical siblings would all have the same sexual orientation, but it would appear that there is an effect because they usually are the same.
     
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    Sounds like fun, at least ballparking it/back of envelope.
    Ignoring socio-economic pressures (people from developing countries having more kids and such, or perhaps the thing where military types have more daughters) and ignoring lesbians playing with a turkey baster or those crossing swords using donor eggs/surrogates as (spoiler) it seems the number of kids being "raised" is maybe 2 million at most which is almost insignificant in the face of what is to come and that is raised and not created via... non conventional? means. Also being generous and assuming 5% practising (one of your chosen constraints) LGBT[extra letters as appropriate] population ( http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.e...bt-demographics-studies/lgbt-demogs-sep-2014/ reckons a bit lower but for the sake of argument can we have a bump there to assume that the fertility rate is offset a bit*?
    Now this is just one generation and 5% compound interest grows quite quickly ( http://www.thecalculatorsite.com/finance/calculators/compoundinterestcalculator.php ) so we have to decide how that plays out if we apply recursively, do we assume bad old days and underground means practising numbers are then a statistical anomaly or back rooms and alleys or do we have to figure further things into this? What about the old maid thing where women over mid 20s would be over the hill and all that? Now the link I have says it is a youth skewing result as well which I might wish to consider if I was being more accurate.
    *"who has fewer abortions than gay people?" and all that.

    Anyway Total fertility rate:
    1.87 children born/woman (2015 est.) in https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html
    This would be less than replacement (slightly over 2) so I might also have to consider immigration later as "Population growth rate: 0.78%".
    Total population
    321,368,864 (July 2015 est.)
    x0.05 = 16,068,443
    /2 = 8034221.6 (assuming 50/50 sex split, probably should check that somewhere)
    x 1.87 ( https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2127.html#us if you fancy trying it out for other countries with other rates)
    15,023,994 extra for the US.

    Net migration rate:
    3.86 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2015 est.)
    1,240,484 rounded up I think.

    Overpopulation was mentioned. Food production then becomes my metric as there is probably plenty of land to house everybody. I will assume the next Norman Borlaug ( http://www.worldfoodprize.org/en/dr_norman_e_borlaug/about_norman_borlaug/ ) is not among the number of hypothetical magic new kids, or that one of the parents is not the same . Can I also assume the US continues to be a greedy and wasteful place with a nice bit of overproduction?
    Perhaps not the best source but http://www.inquiriesjournal.com/articles/890/the-consequences-of-food-waste reckons "it was discovered that the US alone produces enough food to sustain roughly 860 million hungry people," Depending upon how that is broken down that could be even higher -- all that perfectly edible grain fed to cows is remarkably inefficient when it comes to getting calories in my gob, tasty though.

    Anyway as a simple means of population control I am not sure. I would be curious to see what goes as far as "it takes a village" allowing any genetic component that might exist to survive, and indeed what might happen in the future if more don't suppress things (not sure what goes with the fraternal birth order effect). I suppose it is more an example of evolution is not a force towards "perfection" but a minimum viable product and it is not something that is going to end a population, despite what some might have us believe, so it stuck around.
     
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    There is more than one way a more stable and pattern-ful macro structure from something more fundamental.
    If you look hard enough, the creator in other myth greatly surpass the current gods that's being worshipped, while the god of the three main religions have never demonstrated the capability beyond the likes of Zeus or Odin, who while powerful, is noted to be weaker than their parents, who came after the creator deity.
     
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    Yep. Non-denominational Christian
     
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    The article you posted claimed both that homosexuality has a genetic component and also is not a choice. As for twins, well for a start even 'identical' twins have subtly different DNA, and there are also environmental factors which affect both genotype and phenotype.
     
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    Pretty sure identical twins are from the same fertalized egg. Or the odds would nit allow that.
    My first sex experience was when another guy lure me into the washroom and have gay sex though I am completely clueless. That might be one reason I hate the male population so much.
    Is phenotype gay really a thing considering boys most likely grow up playing with boys?
    Anyway why are churches so desprate to regain followers?
     
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    What's your point? Neither of those statements mean there is an evolutionary development to homosexuality. That's not how evolution works. There are theories as to why it hasn't "died out", for a lack of a better term. It's clear that there are links to genetics (or the patterns are just the biggest coincidence ever), but there is no question that it isn't entirely genetic. I didn't choose my fingerprints, but they weren't the result of DNA.

    No, they have identical DNA. Fraternal twins have different DNA.
     
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    The DNA is the same, other things determined later (fingerprints for example) and the expression of those genes (see epigenetics) will vary. It makes for interesting science but I am content to leave it at "even if it is a pure choice (it is probably not) then what problem is it?". Answer being none of any great merit, at least as far as discounting it as an option, so carry on, none of the old philosophy books provide anything like a good reason either.

    The same reason any group that once earned a lot of money and had a lot of power and has since lost an awful awful lot of it, equally if they genuinely believe eternal salvation is basically only from following their path and things to do I guess there is that too.
     
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