Do you believe in aliens?

I'm not saying it was aliens, but...

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In Peter Ward's book Rare Earth, he argues pretty convincingly that the universe may well be teeming with life similar to our bacteria, but anything more complex is probablyvanishingly rare.

He works his way through a long list of events or circumstances that were necessary for complex life to arise, many of them happening only once in the billions of years of life on earth -- the fusion of an archaea and bacteria to make a proto eukaryote for example.

Highly recommended book!
 

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I believe in aliens because there is no way we are the only life in the universe. But whether they are more intelligent, more advanced technological wise, is another question. If they happen to be more intelligent and more advanced, we probably wouldn't be able to detect them with our current technology because I'm sure they can hide from our sensors. Also, they wouldn't even bother us as we would be no threat to their existence and there are plenty of other planets to inhabit.
 
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How could either of them have life? Saturn is a gas giant and Neptune has an average temperature of -330° Fahrenheit.

As far as I'm aware, this isn't true. Source?
I can't seem to find the source anymore but I did find things that jarred my memory.
It was probably Titan, Saturn's moon.
I'll try to explain what I remember:
There was a probe. They sent it just outside of the planet to start scanning for life.
They detected stuff.
HOWEVER, the last thing I remember is that it said they'd need to be on the surface to confirm or deny these claims.
Also, if you've played Dead Space 2...remember that it was on Titan Station. So this makes me wonder if that game is predicting the future just like The Simpsons did...
If so, holy fuck we're probably going to die.
 

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I can't seem to find the source anymore but I did find things that jarred my memory.
It was probably Titan, Saturn's moon.
I'll try to explain what I remember:
There was a probe. They sent it just outside of the planet to start scanning for life.
They detected stuff.
HOWEVER, the last thing I remember is that it said they'd need to be on the surface to confirm or deny these claims.
Also, if you've played Dead Space 2...remember that it was on Titan Station. So this makes me wonder if that game is predicting the future just like The Simpsons did...
If so, holy fuck we're probably going to die.
I think you're referring to data from Titan that could have been the result of methane-producing microorganisms, but the data could also be the result of natural processes. There's no way to know without further study. Regardless, there aren't plants on Saturn nor Titan.

As I discussed earlier in the thread, there are oceans of liquid methane on Titan that could act as a solvent for life the same way water works as a solvent for life here on Earth, potentially lowering the threshold for what temperatures are needed for life.

If one looks at a periodic table of elements, anything in the same column as carbon has enough free electrons to maximally enjoy bonding with other elements. Anything in this column could conceivably be the backbone of organic molecules on an alien world, with silicon and germanium as likely candidates. Carbon is probably the most likely because it's the most abundant element in this column, however.

Not entirely off topic, but it's a little Earth-centric to think life requires water as a solvent, as well. Alternative solvents for alien life include ammonia and methane, among others. Given this fact, places we thought might be too cold for life as we know it might actually allow for methane-based life, for example, to thrive. Saturn's moon Titan is far too cold on the surface for life as we know it, but it has seas of liquid methane not too dissimilar from seas of water.

The point is that we can't make too many assumptions about what alien life would be like.
 
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There's no reason there shouldn't be any, but it's not likely that we'll all be able to communicate at least before Earth ends, and we'll be extinct WAY before then, even if a life form more intelligent than we can fathom becomes existent here on Earth. It's also possible that we may be the earliest planet in the entire universe to even have life. Though evolution is only making us smarter, I wouldn't be shocked if we colonized Mars once the sun gets big enough.
 
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I'm sure we are not alone in the universe. Yes, we've not made contact. But that doesn't mean it's not possible for there to be life out there. For all we know, we're being studied right now. We're just not technologically advanced enough. Yet.
That, I'm not sure I agree. While I'm sure there is life outside of the Earth, I find it unlikely for them to be that advanced. Then again, I might be very, very wrong.
 

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Why not? Somewhere would have to be the first place to ever have life, why couldn't that place just happen to be Earth?
Considering the size and age of the universe, it's unlikely Earth is the only planet with life. We're also finding out that Earth-like planets (in terms of size, composition, temperature, etc.) are more common than we thought. The Milky Way galaxy probably has around 40 billion Earth-like planets alone. That's 1 quadrillion Earth-like planets in the observable universe.
 
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Ofc have you guys not met Peter yet? The temp's members are great translators... But what is "NO COFFEI!"??? We will never know, it must be something!

On a serious note to sum it up the universe is as huge as peter's lack of spelling and common sense, so yes I believe Peter comes from another race!
 
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It's an ice giant. Unlike gas giants like Saturn and Jupiter, ice giants (The two in our solar system being Uranus and Neptune.) have a surface and are made up mostly of ice.
Hum, I was under the impression it was also made of Gas. Oh well, learning new stuff every day. Fuck my old books, their info is freaking outdated
 

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