1. osaka35

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    Well it also hurts old people more, so old people who have the power are actually doing something. Suddenly realize the need for human rights and the needs of the many and the few. I'm guessing we'll go back to ignoring them after we've hindered this virus. So. Yay?
     
  2. notimp

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    Yeah shame on everyone that isnt doing something! Wait, what are we supposed to do again?

    For people that still havent realized whats happening. In places where stores are closed, this isnt voluntary. It usually starts with restaurants and bars (many people hanging around in tight spaces) by design. If you then extend it to a real 'curfew' style action (people are encouraged to only leave homes for work, and to buy essential items (food, ...) ) and go straight home afterwards, thats another phase escalation, done by a state.

    Some companies had their FREAKING marketing department intervene trying to spin this into a VOLUNTARY NATIONWIDE ACTION they are willing to provide. All of that is bullshit. The companies that are 'voluntary' closing down, are those that mostly reside in cities where moste of their stores would be shut down anyhow. They look at spreadsheet, see that it isnt that costly to close down the rest of their stores alongside those that will be closed by government anyhow, TURN AROUND, AND SELL YOU THAT AS WE SO CARING - we so socially responsible.

    Now freaking 50 people scream their heads out in here, that they want more MARKETING BULLSHIT - from gamestop as well.

    There is no need in vast regions in the US to close stores now. (Because case numbers arent at that level yet where this is a measure you would think about.)

    Cities that are closing stores currently are expected to have to do it again in a while, depending on the impact on the progression rate reached (at least in my country).

    For the economy not to collaps, you can only do it for a very limited period, then you pronounce 'everything normal' again, then you do it again. Always while looking at spreadsheets.

    Non of that is volunatarily, once its implemented.

    And while it might make sense for some companies to do it nationwide, for most it doesnt.

    Stop asking companies to do stuff, so you can feel good, if your logic so broken.

    If you want them to "do something" - as them to I dont know, paint nice banners, or hold their breath, or something that impresses you dearly, but dont ask them to 'voluntarily shut down', if you have no idea about their business structure, and where their stores are located.

    At the same time, management would have to be lobotomized, to send out communication to store managers, that they should resist against statewide curfews, and try to haggle with police to keep their stores open.
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    No philosophy in the world can guilt people into acting a certain way, so they'll prevent future dead people, if that relies on so many layers of abstraction, that suddenly opening or closing a videogames store VOLUNTARILY in your mind is equivalent to saving lives.

    If you are that person, you are working at a pet shelter.
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    Impact.

    When a state or city askes you to close stores in the current situation you do so. Because its coordinated action that has the highest impact on reaching "curbing the curve" goals.

    Voluntary this or that is useless. (Washing hands isnt. Wash your hands.. ;) ) Mostly because not many people, ore companies will do things voluntarily if it really hurts them economically - while their business rivals flurish.

    At the same time, if your state asks you to close down (and it doesnt instantly bankrupt you), you do so, and not start haggling with the police in the streets, at a time where foottraffic will be close to none existent. (Because people are told that all stores (except food, gas, banks, ..) are closed anyhow.)

    And this will be different depending on if you live in high population dense areas (big cities) or not. So dont say this is bull, or the entire country has to pitch in tomorrow to save lifes. No. Coordinated action is what has an impact.

    Apple playing "samaritan" (while not getting any of the new stuff in sufficient quantities from china) has not.

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    Also YES, there is a difference between how we act when deathrate is 0.6% and when it is in danger to becoming 5%. (In a region/state.)

    Because?

    0.6% is close to the deathrate with a working health system (hospitals), and

    5+% is the deathrate with your hospitals starting to reject cases, because they become to many.

    If you are at close to 0.6% in the forseeable future (and rate might be exponential, so you cant do it by feel, you must do it by models), you do nothing - because, there isnt any cure, or treatment at the moment.

    If you are at 1% you ask yourself - is this really worth ruining the economy further...

    And if you are at "hospitals turning away people" state your inner monologue becomes *shit* we should have acted earlier, because the cases still get more - daily - for a while if you've reached that now.

    But if spread in a region is not at 'problematic levels' (projected) yet. You also dont praise Apple for closing Applestores there.

    'None problematic levels' are levels where it would take 1+ years for 70% of the population in your state to become infected. (Without banking on a vaccine being available in december, it would be closer to 2 years.) If you can hold it at that state - you are incentiviced to do absolutely nothing. And deathrate still will be at around 0.6-0.8%.

    (Why? Because the epidemic only stops as 60-70% of people in your country either are vaccinated or went through COVID-19 once and survived. No other way available. Why is it more problematic than a normal flu now? Because against flu, there is resistance in the public (slower progression), against this, there isnt yet. If this corona virus just would spread less fast, it would be close to a non issue. But sadly, it spreads fast. So the difference between 2.000.000 people in your country dying or not - is coordinated action, to slow down the progression rate, in a coordinated fashion, as to avoid your economy collapsing at the same time.)

    Its not as simple as shaming everyone that doest voluntarily shut down their business for 10 days (close to a month makes more sense and is done on other regions in the world currently - how many of you businesses would survive that?) for "killing the people". So I suggest, people in here stop doing that.

    You are not saving most lives by socially isolating 'directly'. (Lower correlation, because death rate, if hospital capacity is available) isnt that outrageously higher than a bad flu season. (3x))

    You are saving most lives (higher correlation), by slowing the spread (through coordinated social isolation measures where needed), keeping hospitals operational.

    Issue - if you would favor the direct approach, you'd have to stay at home for another 9 to 21 months to do that especially well. As you obviously cant do that (businesses would collaps), you do in in coordinated stints, listening to state directives, for when you do it, in a coordinated fashion. ("Riding the tide." So harsh measures when growthrates seem to spike again, followed by periods of 'normalcy' until at least december (?) (vaccine, or treatment becomes available)).

    This is not a one shot happening, where you try to hype up everyone in the country to do something. Just listen to your state government - that leads to a better outcome.
     
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    I could even half decently argue, that what gamestop did makes some sense.

    So if you are expecting for this to become a cycle of multiple shutdowns of public life (only in some regions), followed by periods where everyone acts normally, and you have one such shutdown cycle where you expect most of your yearly business to take place. And you are close to bankruptcy, ... I think I know where management was going here.

    Appreciable impact on the overall case numbers should be close to zero.

    Its just that it really, really makes you look like the traitor that was willing to give everyone corona virus. If you do it at the first one of these.

    Also - as people will be socially conditioned to stay at home, and not hang around in public ("anything is closed anyways"), it makes very, very little sense for me for gamestop to try to make that happen.

    Also yes - they would be provoking bad, unsocial behavior on part of their customers.

    The looks here are all terrible.

    And yes gamestop might even indirectly kill people doing that. So not recommended. Its just, if you are purely math guy. You see people ignoring cerfews (happening only in certain cities at first), anyhow - if they become more of a regular thing. So why should it impact your most important sales...

    And there is where you need people in the company that actually arent robots, and can tell you about 'bottom line, isnt everything'. When in return gaming sites erupt telling people that gamestop is willingly putting up with more deaths, lying to their shop managers, and forcing them to haggle with police. *facepalm*
     
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    wow! to be fair, i never heard of your country before. that's interesting. we learn something new every day! greetings from Brazil and stay safe (same for all who are reading this) ;)
     
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    I picked the flag at random. (Privacy.) ;)

    Greetings from a place undisclosed. ;) I'm glad you enjoy learning about things. ;)
     
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    Not even Reggie can save this dumpster fire, sadly. I hope GameStop tanks for all their shady shit.
     
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    There's a stay home order in California people aren't allowed to leave their houses unless it's for food medicine etc... because they have the 2nd highest cases of it of any state. That's why. It doesn't mean it will happen everywhere.
     
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    Ok... What about Pennsylvania? In case people are too lazy to click on the link, Pennsylvania is also close their stores.
     
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    The Morning Call. Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf has 'ordered' a shutdown of nonessential businesses to stop coronavirus

    I did not say "it closed in California but not anywhere else" I said "it closed in California but not everywhere" which is 100% correct. You're posting situations where its out of Gamestops hands they are forced to close due to state mandates. It proves gamestop's own falsehood that they are "essential business" they obviously are not.
     
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    I think there is some misunderstanding. I'm referring to only GameStop stores and none of the other stores.
     
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    DelusionStop really is grasping at straws now, lmao. probably screeching over the fact that a store that isn't even video game related (best buy) is way better and doing way better than them financially and even in terms of video games
     
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    EBGames Canada has finally decided to close all the stores, probably because of the amount of pressure Gamestop was getting from the media.
     
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    Guys, guys, guys,

    In their defense; cemeteries are essential services sooooooo.
     
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    mwahahaha oh i can’t stop laughing thanks i needed that!

    also some well gosh frank assessments. Virus appears man made. Despite what they tell you. Same as aids. In fact based on morphology it is more than likely a cow corona virus combined with an hiv virus. Hiv was basically a combo of some cow and sheep virus they grew in human tissue...the work that you can review on corona was done by india...

    look why has there been no effective hiv vaccine? Well one reason is because the money is in the treatment see cancer for more data. Also you may want to read the books dr mary’s monkey and the choice but anywho. The other reason is gosh there are ALOT of hiv viruses! That was by design. I think corona is the same. Notice some people have stomach issues. Some people vomit. Some people their lungs fail. Some people recover quick. Some people asymptomatic. It is an edit/mutation of hiv boyos. It is obvious. Only reason i know this is because of my studies of hiv/aids. Who do they have in charge? Top aids dr. Btw she was preggo in 1984 and lost alot of blood. They were going to give her a transfusion. She refused it. Passed out. Husband donated blood asked transfusion be turned away. Turned out later she had been right. The blood was hiv +. Some luck she has huh?

    look some of you might be saying how can you be so sure? Well since no timp wrote like 40 para (which btw no timp interesting but i had to set some things straight) i am going to kick some knowledge. This virus and it’s many variations affects ALL ages. Period. And all ages can be killed. Period. So some of the nonsense i hear about oh old people well just hope you get lucky. It was made like this by design. By who and why? Well my hunch is so we can be chipped when we are given the vaccine hard to say. And well population control partially. They destroyed middle class with this for the most part. The people united can never be...are we united in any way shape or form now?

    no they have us cowering in our homes afraid to go out...

    reeks of a setup...

    just so you know killing Kobe is related to all this:



    Remember Kobe had the crown or corona tattoo...

    See here and keep your eye on the briefcase:



    Notice how it turns green when they mention the virus? Green is associated with poison...

    I think virus is just like aids and is man made but mainstream media says no. Well can the mainstream media tell you why there are so many mentions of the number 33 in the coverage hmm? Google for yourself...


    https://www.usnews.com/news/economy...mployment-spikes-33-amid-coronavirus-pandemic


    This one got edited but original headline was 33

    https://www.boston25news.com/news/l...s-being-monitored/VB3YVV4XERGFFDTM6DLXRTEQWI/


    https://www.thedailybeast.com/coron...t-in-10-cities-locking-down-33-million-people


    https://news.trust.org/item/20200309131544-4dcqh


    https://www.propublica.org/article/...ssuring-public-about-coronavirus-preparedness


    https://www.axios.com/california-mo...rus-fb785e1c-8f38-4225-988b-11344fb7859e.html


    by no means a complete list. Just showing you how the coverage is encoded. Now that you know watch for their number. It is a reference to the 33rd degree of scottish freemasonry...


    stay frosty...
     
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    I think there is a misunderstanding. I'm just trying to tell you that gamestop has no choice but to shut down in those two states because they were ordered to by those states. They are not gamestop decisions, they are state decisions.
     
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    I know that. Heck, I even mentioned that is most likely the outcome in another topic which was posted a day before this one.

    Even the post I linked to mentioned that as well. Do I really need to repeat was been said until I sound like a broken record or feel like spam?
     
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