1. linuxares

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    But shutting down non-essential business such as GameStop to hinder spread can't be a bad thing. South Korea have managed to keep it alive and more or less be done with the epidemic.
     
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  3. notimp

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    The idea behind coordenated closure is to drive public life basically to a halt.

    The idea behind 'self quarantaining' is to find out if you (having been in contact with a person who confirmed has it) have been affected. (You basically wait for 14 days to see if you get sick)

    The idea to allow some people to go on paid sick leave for 10 days - is nothing. I look at it as play acting. (Not because I wouldnt want to grant them the 10 days, I'm living in a democratic socialist country, I think payed sick leave is a great idea.) But because "nothing ads up".

    Virus incubation period (before you show symptoms) can be 12 days. (edit: Median of 5 days, so eh - ;) ) You dont give it to the entire public. You dont demand it from big companies. And you dont have big public awareness campaigns or any checks to ensure that people really stay home during that time.

    This - to me, is reducing public anxiety.

    To 'curb' the curve, you need behavior change coordinatedly at the same time. (At least in a region.) 'Some companies' and voluntarily (can do so..), to me sounds like people relieving mental stress from perceived responsibilities, and not like an action that would be even remotely effective in what it is claiming to do. (At least, it would be a very none cost effective way to get to the impact on numbers that could be expected from that.)

    Which - together with looking at the projected death rate for the US in the same models that had the UK change action (Imperial College London corona models), which hovers at around the rate everyone else in the world 'tries to get to' - has me believing the following.

    The US will go for 'herd immunity' - unless individual regions (big cities) decide to go for a different (more costly) route. Which is also very reasonable.

    And nationwide, those measures (looking at current projection models), are just fluff to relieve some of the stress people currently are in (because they consume whats going on in the rest of the world, and in big cities).

    The 1000 USD for some people - should be a measure to address current stock market drops, mainly. Maybe. And at the same time it also addresses the issue of restaurants and cultural facilities being hit by even voluntary behavior change first and hardest.

    Coordinated measures, in my mind begin, once big companies are asked to do something. Which would come in at a later stage in the US.

    You basically have a bunch of measures, they all cost something, they all give you a certain time limited benefit - and in the end its mostly a 'game' (very wrong word in this instance, sorry) to get to the end of the year (or the end of two years, depending on vaccine availability) without major disruptions to the ability of your health system to keep working at expectend (even though stressed) levels.

    Thats it.

    And if your country should have lower population density, exponential growth throughout your entire population is less likely.

    Big cities in the US might/will react entirely different though. So this also is, where part of the mixed messaging comes from.
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    Still, I can be wrong.

    If stuff changes - you'd see measures that are far different though. (Nationwide school closures (if that is even an option in the US), curfews after work, ... )
    Your 'playbook' is the UK. They also went with "we go for herd immunity" first (current projected death rate of 0.8% there).

    If they start to freak, you freak. ;) (As a country. Big cities are allowed to implement harsher measures earlier. It makes sense there.)
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    Having some people go away for 10 days might also help to 'stagger' spread (they can then get it later.. ;) ). I don't know the calculations for that, but it is not to 'prevent you personally from getting sick, because your boss loves you'. ;) (For that 10 days is not enough. :) ) That and because of public perception that this is a pandemic, and the government has to do something - might explain why this is a thing (mixed calculation.).
     
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  4. Mythical

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    All this stuff is starting to make me nervous even though I've been writing it off as mass media hysteria or whatever.
    I work at one of the largest grocery store conglomerates in the usa and they haven't closed any stores in my state.
    Makes me wonder if I should take a leave of absence, because honestly the more I hear the more nervous I become
     
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    it's like netflix being essential without them there would be rioting in the streets. they keep people content with being forced to stay at home and give up all rights to the government

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    this isn't really going to help with the population density. expect a boomer generation at least as big as the one from wwii
     
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    No - lower population density (if there is more space between people), might lower growthrate - throughout the country, but not in cities. And lowering growthrates is really all you are aiming for currently.

    Thats all I'm saying. :)

    Also I play 'utilitarian philosophy guy' here. (So mostly cost/benefit based logic.)

    Using this philosphy it doesnt matter if 3x of normal people die from it compared to a flu, as long as people are not so unhappy with me (hospitals closed, military having to move dead bodies), they vote me out of office.

    You can still disagree with that. :)
     
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    Man, if Gamestop thinks this is going to help their already-failing business, ha! Good luck is all I can say :lol:
     
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    Gamestop deciding to do something stupid you say?! I could never have imagined that /s
     
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    I hope that they removed the "game testing" spot : a lot of people touch the remote control to play so it can be easy to be contaminated

    I hope that they didn't said that to be funny
     
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    People seem rather upset and I am still not entirely sure why. This pandemic larp is getting a bit long in the tooth.
     
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    Gamestop isn't essential, regardless what they think they need to shut their door.
     
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    I don't want to be an assbum, but if you're genuinely surprised on why people are upset with Gamestop and their reaction to virus spread, then you didn't do as much research as self-respecting reporter probably should.
     
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    Dont be that guy either.

    I've now looked at the list of retailers that have closed nationwide voluntarily - and it reads like a who is who of useless brands flagship stores ( https://www.npr.org/2020/03/16/8163...es-resorts-theaters-shut-down?t=1584719281840 , https://9to5mac.com/2020/03/17/not-just-apple-stores-closed/ ), that almost exclusively only exist in big cities. Where retail is more likely to be shut down as a whole anyhow. (Except for supermarkets, gasstations, banks ...)

    So as Gamestop isnt apple (= all the moneys in the bank), of course its not going to close nationwide.

    Then I also read the companies messaging to store managers to "push back" if state officials want to close their stores - which is so freaking dumb it hurts me toes. If a state closes all but 'neccessary stores' this goes hand in hand with messaging that it does, so foottraffic slows down to a crawl - so why the heck would you want to combat that - if essentially a curfew is on place in certain places? Jebus, management there is dumb as rocks.
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    Essential issue in this thread still is, people not understanding the issue even remotely. People not being able to wrap their head around issues that can arise from something non linearly. People not being able to understand, that an issue might be different in a large city vs the rest of the country - and people trying to decide that based on party lines.

    All the humanity in this thread...

    I want to shout to the heavens, that people cant intuitively understand exponential growth. And that people are now shameing brands for not proactively ruining their businesses for a 10 day 'event' in some major cities. and that managers OF COURSE should not push back to stay open, when their city goes on lockdown (Where are you living? In a middle eastern bazar, where you haggle with police?), and that most media companies are situated in big metropoles, but now also *feel* they can speak for the situation in the entire country, when they cant, and... Toilet paper? For hecks sake.
     
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  14. USUKDecks

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    WOW a new low for Gamestop. The ONLY reason why they are doing this is to try to qualify for that stimulus and benefits which are going to "essential" stores/business .etc and gamestop is NOT one of them!

    They are in financial trouble and are not far away from closing their stores permanently ... they're doing this so they can get that money and give it to themselves! The CEO, CFO, COO and other upper management...etc will just divide the money in the form of bonuses. They are eventually going to file for bankruptcy within the next couple to few years at most.

    Then they won't have to pay back anything.

    This is a dirty cheap low ploy or tactic, this company was in trouble WAY before corona but this is just a way for them to milk it and get some $$$ before they go belly up. FU gamestop you douche bag A*holes.
     
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    If people have children I dont think that they will have the time.

    Idk my personal experience getting supplies and food would be a priory but hey many people may think differently
     
  16. RyRyIV

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    This is incredibly stupid, and downright dangerous. In the age of digital gaming, GameStop has never been further from being essential retail. Even if I personally prefer physical copies.
     
  17. FAST6191

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    So a reasonably low spread rate low mortality virus is presently doing the rounds aka the sniffles is a bit more potent this year. People then getting in a bit of a tizzy about it all.

    Closures are not quite yet made mandatory (though in such cases insurance companies get to bear the brunt of things so if people want a bogeyman and think it so terribly serious look there and wonder who was doing the whispering to get the according categorisation). There are no palettes of easily stored essentials being shipped to shops to have people stick in the boots of cars. There is no curfew, much less an enforced one (or military enforced one). Medics are not being called up for standby, mass triage and treatment (nor do we have nice pop up options for this in halls and stadiums). People are not being taught the symptoms succinctly as a watch for this in everybody. People are not being taught how to decontaminate and isolate.

    Certainly worth taking seriously but to rag on gamestop to this extent seems misplaced at best.
     
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    I'm a fabricator (metal shop worker), and the company I work for has the same sentiment. It's disgusting, and I'm voluntarily quarantining myself starting next week. If I lose my job, oh well. I have a rather old senior living on my property, and her life takes precedence over a dollar.
     
  19. osaka35

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    If you could prevent the flu, and save all those who it kills every year, would you? That's the decision you have right now. We're talking about preventing it from killing thousands and more every year. Don't look at the percentage, look at the raw data of those in danger. I mean, do you only care about helping people if it's above 10% of the population in danger or something? XD

    If you can do something, try and do something. Gamestop is doing the opposite. Shame on them.
     
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    Such things are always a balance of harms and values assigned. Don't see this being oh so much more that.
     
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