Dead Newborn Found in Store's Washroom

[Bobbyloujo]

you have to acknowledge how the baby dies in each scenario.

Kay, I'll kill you when you're unconscious. This is not murder?

What you're missing is that whether it has a few cells or 430 trillion cells it's still human and it's still life.

 

[Hells Malice]

Dear god, PLEASE look up abortion limitations, rules, and procedures before you speak.
Abortions must be done early enough that the fetus does not gain consciousness. Granted that's a gray area, but it's a lot better than KNOWING the baby has consciousness as you inhumanely snuff out its life in a bathroom.

I disagree. Your intelligence or size has nothing to do with you being a person or not.

Being a person has absolutely nothing to do with this topic. Abortions are infinitely better and more humane, when compared to shooting out a fully grown baby and killing it with your bare hands before hiding it in the trash bin of a washroom.
An abortion happens before the baby can feel anything. Not such the case when people kill their baby as it is born.

Whether abortion is right or wrong is a completely different debate.

Please tell me what determines if a baby is conscious? When exactly does it happen?

Google it? Read a book?
It's not exactly an easy to explain thing. Abortion hasn't been around for a few weeks, scientists/medical professionals have spent years researching the point of consciousness and pre-consciousness. Quite early into pregnancy is a safe zone for pre-consciousness, but once you get closer to that "line" where you can no longer have an abortion, it becomes more of a gray area.

 

[s4mid4re]

Dear god, PLEASE look up abortion limitations, rules, and procedures before you speak.
Abortions must be done early enough that the fetus does not gain consciousness. Granted that's a gray area, but it's a lot better than KNOWING the baby has consciousness as you inhumanely snuff out its life in a bathroom.

I disagree. Your intelligence or size has nothing to do with you being a person or not.

intelligence != consciousness

Please tell me what determines if a baby is conscious? When exactly does it happen?

It doesn't matter whether the baby is conscious or not; the baby's death is controlled during abortion, while this is murder.

you have to acknowledge how the baby dies in each scenario.

Kay, I'll kill you when you're unconscious. This is not murder?

What you're missing is that whether it has a few cells or 430 trillion cells it's still human and it's still life.

Oh my goodness... please read what I just told JoostinOnline

 

[JoostinOnline]

Being a person has absolutely nothing to do with this topic. Abortions are infinitely better and more humane, when compared to shooting out a fully grown baby and killing it with your bare hands before hiding it in the trash bin of a washroom.
An abortion happens before the baby can feel anything. Not such the case when people kill their baby as it is born.

Whether abortion is right or wrong is a completely different debate.

So your argument is more about the degree of murder then? I guess that would make sense.

Still, I can't say I'm sad that this will be punished when/if she is found.

 

[Bobbyloujo]

the baby's death is controlled during abortion, while this is murder.

Death during a murder is controlled. Controlled by the murderer.

 

[s4mid4re]

the baby's death is controlled during abortion, while this is murder.

Death during a murder is controlled. Controlled by the murderer.

That's the problem. Now she's a murderer. If she went through abortion, she wouldn't be a murderer. Abortion is bad, but murder is worse.

 

[JoostinOnline]

the baby's death is controlled during abortion, while this is murder.

Death during a murder is controlled. Controlled by the murderer.

That's the problem. Now she's a murderer. If she went through abortion, she wouldn't be a murderer. Abortion is bad, but murder is worse.

But abortion IS murder. It's killing a person in cold blood.

The only way I can see abortion being better in this case would be like if you were going to shoot someone in their sleep or strangle them. One is less terrible than the other.

 

[s4mid4re]

the baby's death is controlled during abortion, while this is murder.

Death during a murder is controlled. Controlled by the murderer.

That's the problem. Now she's a murderer. If she went through abortion, she wouldn't be a murderer. Abortion is bad, but murder is worse.

But abortion IS murder. It's killing a person in cold blood.

The only way I can see abortion being better in this case would be like if you were going to shoot someone in their sleep or strangle them. One is less terrible than the other.

Would you whether go through abortion, or strangle your newborn sweetheart to death?

 

[Bobbyloujo]

Neither... I'll get someone pregnant when we want a baby. Until then... I won't be getting anyone pregnant.

 

[JoostinOnline]

the baby's death is controlled during abortion, while this is murder.

Death during a murder is controlled. Controlled by the murderer.

That's the problem. Now she's a murderer. If she went through abortion, she wouldn't be a murderer. Abortion is bad, but murder is worse.

But abortion IS murder. It's killing a person in cold blood.

The only way I can see abortion being better in this case would be like if you were going to shoot someone in their sleep or strangle them. One is less terrible than the other.

Would you whether go through abortion, or strangle your newborn sweetheart to death?

How about just not commit murder.

 

[s4mid4re]

Neither... I'll get someone pregnant when we want a baby. Until then... I won't be getting anyone pregnant.

That is totally invalid because this is a case in which a women chose to kill the baby herself, rather than go through an abortion.

But keep that strong, so that you won't have to go through what she did...

the baby's death is controlled during abortion, while this is murder.

Death during a murder is controlled. Controlled by the murderer.

That's the problem. Now she's a murderer. If she went through abortion, she wouldn't be a murderer. Abortion is bad, but murder is worse.

But abortion IS murder. It's killing a person in cold blood.

The only way I can see abortion being better in this case would be like if you were going to shoot someone in their sleep or strangle them. One is less terrible than the other.

Would you whether go through abortion, or strangle your newborn sweetheart to death?

How about just not commit murder.

Same as above; invalid because it already happened in this case. She only had the choice to divorce or to kill the baby herself.

 

[Bobbyloujo]

You're still missing the point... killing the baby either way, by herself or through abortion, is still killing the baby. One is not better than the other.

 

[air2004]

Republicans and Democrats kill me ............the reps say life is precious , yet they love the death penalty ........Dems say the fetus is not a person , but they oppose the death penalty ........ OH HOW I HATE BOTH OF YOU

 

[JoostinOnline]

Same as above; invalid because it already happened in this case. She only had the choice to divorce or to kill the baby herself.

Your acting like one of the two is necessary. She did not have to strangle the baby or to have an abortion. She could have kept the baby or put it up for adoption.

 

[air2004]

and you wonder why people are screwed up

 

[s4mid4re]

You're still missing the point... killing the baby either way, by herself or through abortion, is still killing the baby. One is not better than the other.

abortion might be considered murder by some people/religion, but legally, she's not. Murder is murder, and it is considered crime. She had a choice to make. She took the wrong path.

Same as above; invalid because it already happened in this case. She only had the choice to divorce or to kill the baby herself.

Your acting like one of the two is necessary. She did not have to strangle the baby or to have an abortion. She could have kept the baby or put it up for adoption.

I know that there was a choice to deliver the baby and not kill the baby. But she killed it with her own hands, when she could've gone through abortion to kill the baby peacefully. For her, she only had the two choices to chose from. She chose the wrong one.

 

[smile72]

Um..... yeah. The death penalty is different from abortion. The death penalty is government sanctioned killing.

Please stop trolling my threads air2004.

 

[JoostinOnline]

You're still missing the point... killing the baby either way, by herself or through abortion, is still killing the baby. One is not better than the other.

abortion might be considered murder by some people/religion, but legally, she's not. Murder is murder, and it is considered crime. She had a choice to make. She took the wrong path.

Again, she didn't have to choose one or the other.

 

[smile72]

Yeah she could have given it up.

 

[s4mid4re]

You're still missing the point... killing the baby either way, by herself or through abortion, is still killing the baby. One is not better than the other.

abortion might be considered murder by some people/religion, but legally, she's not. Murder is murder, and it is considered crime. She had a choice to make. She took the wrong path.

Again, she didn't have to choose one or the other.

That is not the case here: she chose to kill her baby. She could've gone through abortion (killing the baby peacefully) if she was considering killing the baby anyways, but she chose to kill the baby in a disgusting manner.