Hacking Crown3ds flashcard - Hacking your 3DS and playing 3DS games

[flph]

There won't be any menu in 3DS mode.
Right, but why don't make a menu in ds mode and use a physical switch (like button) in order to switch between that menu (ds mode) and selected 3ds game (3ds mode) ?

 

[ManFranceGermany]

There won't be any menu in 3DS mode.
Right, but why don't make a menu in ds mode and use a physical switch (like button) in order to switch between that menu (ds mode) and selected 3ds game (3ds mode) ?

yup. Finally someone got it.
As long we dont know how to sign the software, no 3DS OS Mode.

The question is:
can u start from DS Mode into 3DS Mode?
I doubt it, but this would give the possibility to have at least a file browser and to start a .3ds from a nice GUI.

If there would be a switch...you mean it would be like WODE, with a little display for choosing the games?
I hope they have some good ideas...

 

[Foxi4]

There won't be any menu in 3DS mode.
Right, but why don't make a menu in ds mode and use a physical switch (like button) in order to switch between that menu (ds mode) and selected 3ds game (3ds mode) ?

yup. Finally someone got it.
As long we dont know how to sign the software, no 3DS OS Mode.

The question is:
can u start from DS Mode into 3DS Mode?
I doubt it, but this would give the possibility to have at least a file browser and to start a .3ds from a nice GUI.

If there would be a switch...you mean it would be like WODE, with a little display for choosing the games?
I hope they have some good ideas...


You don't have to. The cart could simply work in both modes - in DS mode when you need to browse files, then reboot when the file is loaded straight into 3DS mode. All it takes is a physical switch or a software one - much like HEN works on previously "unhackable" psp's.

And yes, we need to wait for an exploit in the firmware if we want full access to the 3DS hardware.

QUOTE(Erdnaxela @ Sep 20 2011, 11:57 AM)

Everything can be hacked, and honestly, if the 3ds can be easily hacked, more people will buy it and it won't hurt software sales, just look at pokemon black/white.

OBJECTION! Playstation Movie UMD failed because of easy piracy.

*cough* low video and audio quality, very little movies to choose from, hardly any bonus content as opposed to DVD's, the list goes on. UMD IN GENERAL failed because it was a crappy way to store media. Optical discs should be a thing of the past by now, in the age of high capacity flash chips. It takes too much energy - the laser and the motor drain the battery, it's also heavy compared to a flash medium slot, bulky, it's lower capacity aswell, it's prone to damadge both physically and out of old age - it's just s*it.

 

[Cyan]

There won't be any menu in 3DS mode.
Right, but why don't make a menu in ds mode and use a physical switch (like button) in order to switch between that menu (ds mode) and selected 3ds game (3ds mode) ?

yup. Finally someone got it.

I already said it on Page27

But the idea was two physical cards (or two in one), the DSmode card could be used to "flash" the internal chipset memory with a game on SD card (like the 3-in-1 SD->slot2), then switch to 3DSmode flashcard and boot the "single written" game.
We will have to wait until the team choose a solution to their product.
Either it will be like 10 years ago, with GBA and 1 game at a time + need a PC to change it, or they would choose a more "modern" method.

Currently, there's only 1 game working, there's no need of a menu launcher at all

 

[ManFranceGermany]

There won't be any menu in 3DS mode.
Right, but why don't make a menu in ds mode and use a physical switch (like button) in order to switch between that menu (ds mode) and selected 3ds game (3ds mode) ?

yup. Finally someone got it.

I already said it on Page27

ah, I should have known that someone from one of my countries would find it out first!

I mean germans and french have always the best ideas.....well...germans not always.......

 

[Foxi4]

I already said it on Page27

But the idea was two physical cards (or two in one), the DSmode card could be used to "flash" the internal chipset memory with a game on SD card (like the 3-in-1 SD->slot2), then switch to 3DSmode flashcard and boot the "single written" game.
We will have to wait until the team choose a solution to their product.
Either it will be like 10 years ago, with GBA and 1 game a t a time, need a PC to change, or they would choose a more "modern" method.

That's not just a "probable" scenario, that's exactly what'll happen. From what I know, the 3DS validates the chip inside the cart and decides whether it's legitimate or not - Nintendo's fabled "hardware anti-piracy" protection measures. The game launches only if it passes this test, so knowing life, you'll be able to load up only one game at a time from the SD into a built-in FLASH chip that's identical to the ones found on commercial carts.

 

[flph]

There won't be any menu in 3DS mode.
Right, but why don't make a menu in ds mode and use a physical switch (like button) in order to switch between that menu (ds mode) and selected 3ds game (3ds mode) ?

... or a software one - much like HEN works on previously "unhackable" psp's.

@Foxi4
In 3ds mode we can only run signed games, so, we need an hardware switch to switch from 3ds to ds mode. It cant be a software switch.

@Cyan
I did not read 40 pages of stuff, so, i don't noticed your post. I'm glad someone share same idea as me

 

[Foxi4]

DS Mode --> Upload game to chip --> Soft reset the 3DS (software in DS mode resets the console AND turns the cart to 3DS mode on the microcontroller) --> 3DS Mode.

So yes, we can. Re-read what I typed.

EDIT: To clarify further, I'm well aware that the 3DS hardware is not accessible at current for homebrew as we cannot run unsigned code in 3DS mode. What I do know though is that it doesn't stop us from using a very simple power off code in DS mode, which will serve the exact same purpose as a soft reset, making a physical switch an obselete concept.

Turning the DS mode again would work just as simple, using a capacitor with a faint charge of electricity. The microcontroller would switch the cart back to DS mode once the capacitor is no longer recieving charge from the console using the electricity charge it stores.

All the flash carts I know of are based on a microcontroller of some sort rather than "just flash", and this one will be no exception. The fact that you don't have access to the 3DS's hardware, thus you'll have no GUI, doesn't mean that you cannot automate the process.

 

[Mugiwara no Kot]

Challenge Accepted, I doubt it. If there's any flashcard of the 3DS, everybody should already know.
And other, this is a freaking disorganized thing.
Thanks for posting =P

 

[Foxi4]

Challenge Accepted, I doubt it. If there's any flashcard of the 3DS, everybody should already know.
And other, this is a freaking disorganized thing.
Thanks for posting =P

Everything needs to be invented first before people "know of it". Besides, there are *WORKING* flash kits for the 3DS, they're already in use by release groups who are "technologically inclined" to put one together.

 

[dimmidice]

Everything can be hacked, and honestly, if the 3ds can be easily hacked, more people will buy it and it won't hurt software sales, just look at pokemon black/white.

OBJECTION! Playstation Movie UMD failed because of easy piracy.

no it failed cause it was a dumb idea. buying movies JUST for psp. and you cant use them on anything else? now thats dumb. atleast with dvds you can watch them on computer/tv/portable dvd players/etc etc.
the entire UMD thing was a dumb idea.

 

[BadBloke]

There won't be any menu in 3DS mode.
Right, but why don't make a menu in ds mode and use a physical switch (like button) in order to switch between that menu (ds mode) and selected 3ds game (3ds mode) ?

yup. Finally someone got it.

I already said it on Page27

But the idea was two physical cards (or two in one), the DSmode card could be used to "flash" the internal chipset memory with a game on SD card (like the 3-in-1 SD->slot2), then switch to 3DSmode flashcard and boot the "single written" game.
We will have to wait until the team choose a solution to their product.
Either it will be like 10 years ago, with GBA and 1 game at a time + need a PC to change it, or they would choose a more "modern" method.

Currently, there's only 1 game working, there's no need of a menu launcher at all

and then I said it again on page36

I hope it crosses their minds too...

 

[koji2009]

Not to mention that it took forever for Sony to unlock full video quality on the PSP because they wanted to force people into buying UMDs...

 

[berlinka]

But still, how popular IS the 3DS actually? Will a flashcart ever become a commercial interesting product? As of right now, I doubt it. I got a toy store catalogue through the post today, it had a picture of the 3DS with no price (ask for the actual price in our store) and absolute no game, while for the other consoles they all had price tags and loads of games. The 3DS has barely come off the ground, so I think it's a real guess IF flashcarts will get popular (enough) for a kind of lackluster console.

 

[nano351]

But still, how popular IS the 3DS actually? Will a flashcart ever become a commercial interesting product? As of right now, I doubt it. I got a toy store catalogue through the post today, it had a picture of the 3DS with no price (ask for the actual price in our store) and absolute no game, while for the other consoles they all had price tags and loads of games. The 3DS has barely come off the ground, so I think it's a real guess IF flashcarts will get popular (enough) for a kind of lackluster console.

Because of the recent price drop it probably isn't list due to them not knowing the exact price they'll sell it at when people see it as compared to when it was printed.

3ds is lagging a bit behind ds in rate of sales (as of july it sold about 2/3 of what ds had sold in its first 6 months). However, there aren't any statistics available for the number of current 3ds sales which probably got a nice bump from the price cut.

The market for a flashcart on 3ds isn't that huge (considering a small percentage probably know about a flashcarts and would be willing to buy a piracy only cart). However, if crown3ds releases and there's no site of any competition in the near future they'll effectively have a monopoly and be able to rack in a fair ammount of cash.

 

[Rankio]

But still, how popular IS the 3DS actually? Will a flashcart ever become a commercial interesting product? As of right now, I doubt it.

When one is released, you'll eat your words.

 

[Intl_guy]

IMO they should expect skepticism, but really, every company and product has to start somewhere.

 

[machomuu]

IMO, just because they are not a well known company, doesn't mean they wont make a quality product. Acekard had to s


QUOTE(Intl_guy @ Sep 20 2011, 05:42 PM) IMO they should expect skepticism, but really, every company and product has to start somewhere.

Please don't double-post.

 

[cracker]

I thought about this a lot last night and think I might know why only one specific title can run on it. I think there is a chip on 3ds carts or embedded into the chip along with the ROM that is needed to get the security check process started with the ROM itself. So my idea is that this extra chip is being emulated by the circuitry on the dev board or the original chip is hardwired onto the dev board somewhere. It may not be easy to swap out for an end user. So in the end fake signing (or real signing -- yeah right) is tantamount to a viable solution.

 

[iNFiNiTY]

I don't understand though... where's the exploit if they simply used an existing security chip then? I re-read what you said but i don't get why this means that no other game would work, if they emulate a possible chip. Are you simply saying they have to customize the code for each ROM on this theoretical chip?

I was assuming a similar idea as to what you are saying, i mean there must be some trick in the communication with the cart's chip to pretend it's signed but i don't get why it's limited to one game. If they have to customize for each game you'd think they wouldn't even mention it only works with 1 game; because more would definitely be possible.

Is it more likely they don't have a custom storage chip for the ROMs, and are using a real Splinter Cell ROM with the devboard linked and emulating the security chip. Or was that what you was suggesting

If that is the case then they need to find a rewritable ROM that passes as a real ROM though or work on spoofing it further.