Covid-19 vaccine

Will you get the vaccine?

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Ah yes, your freedumb. All that freedumb is what's letting this virus stay up and spread longer and further and mutate faster which in turn endangers even more people.

It's simple logic, really. If we got a lot more people vaccinated, practice social distancing, wore masks, etc. we would have slowed down the spread of infection, slow down the mutations of the virus, and maybe get out of this mess much sooner along with a lot less deaths. But, of course, it's nowhere close to ending because some hard-headed fools keep shouting for their freedumb and causing more trouble to everyone's actual freedom.
 
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I agree with the rest of your post but I'm really concerned about the use of this new euphemism.
Because they have the freedom to choose to get the vaccine or not, yes? But making the dumb choice to not get the vaccine, especially when it's freely available, can cause more harm to other people and to themselves.

It's ironic, honestly. They talk about their "freedom" when said thing is actually what's restricting theirs and everyone else's actual freedom and more.

In all honesty, I'm just fed up with all of this. As more time passes and the numbers of cases/deaths increases, it becomes more and more frustrating. Especially when there are also other people that are dying and suffering from other medical conditions outside of COVID-19, but can't get into hospitals because every bed and such are occupied by mostly people being sick with COVID-19, most of which being unvaccinated.
 
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I realize freedom may be too radical and anti-evil a notion for some of the authoritarians in the thread, so I'd like to share Dr. Robert Malone's medical argument for why this vaccine mandate and obsession with getting as many people vaccinated as possible, will actually make things worse in the long run. Malone being one of the guys that spearheaded development on mrna tech, I think he's a pretty good authority.

Here's the important bit I've clipped out:

https://streamable.com/13hycf

The full video:
 
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Amazing how many moron temper's like smf and others advocate the removal of the basic human right to refuse medical care, how about we just have the government make all personal medical decisions for you and have the government run you like you're a tesla or an iphone. I believe your body belongs to you as an individual but you lot think it belongs to the collective/commune.
that's a lot of words for an anti-vax dumbass
 

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Amazing how many moron temper's like smf and others advocate the removal of the basic human right to refuse medical care, how about we just have the government make all personal medical decisions for you and have the government run you like you're a tesla or an iphone. I believe your body belongs to you as an individual but you lot think it belongs to the collective/commune.
Nobody's refusing you that right. We're only insisting, time and time again, on our own right to not have to fucking deal with you morons if you decide to not care for yourselves and for us. Like, you don't want to be someone safe to be around to? Then respect that we don't want to be around you. Simple as that.
 

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I take responsibility for myself and my decisions, its not the governments role to enforce absolute safety, You all forget the adage of Benjamin Franklin that “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”

you hand in your freedom at the first ask to those that funded the gain of function creation of this virus. they provide the problem, they provide the solution, we remain subservient.
 
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I take responsibility for myself and my decisions, its not the governments role to enforce absolute safety, You all forget the adage of Benjamin Franklin that “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”

you hand in your freedom at the first ask to those that funded the gain of function creation of this virus. they provide the problem, they provide the solution, we remain subservient.
It is not. They are not forcing you to get vaccinated. But we get to decide that we do not want to be around you if you are not, and they are not enforcing that either. What can be eventually enforced is to have you removed from places you are not welcome to by force, if you insist on getting there while not invited until this whole thing is over. And that's your liberty to insist on being there, as it is their liberty to have you removed if they don't want you there.

Unless you're literally arguing that your liberty is fine but ours is not? In which case, please stop using citations from people who would not be in agreement with you, that's all kinds of wrong

To be clear: this is not a removal of liberty, this is ensuring the respect of the liberties of those who want to keep themselves and their beloved ones safe. You are still free to be an asshole to those people, but then bear the consequences of overstepping their liberty ;)
 
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its not the governments role to enforce absolute safety,
you mean public safety ? lol I love how you guys act like this is the first time the Government does something about public safety I mean they don't have TRAFFIC LIGHTS, STOP SIGNS, SEATBELTS, SPEED LIMITS, HOUSING/ BUILDING CODES, SCHOOL VACCINATIONS, .yea don't have those were you are from?..... oh they do.... so.. I guess your cherry picking...
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So easy to bully someone into submission with categorically false labels and broad sweeping generalizations, heaven forbid an intellectual discussion occur. I never said anything negative towards the vaccine or said the government has not tried to enforce unjust laws, or shouldnt make laws that help everyone get along, however this has not stopped the framing as though i have with "anti-vax" and "conspiracy theorist" labels. There should be more open discussion and debate but every "genius" comes out of the woodwork to moderate the allowable topics/perspectives. So many black and white opinions with false analogies and logical fallacies used to fool people. My opinions closely align with those expressed by Dr. Malone in the clip posted by immorallix.


edit: can we try and be civil? the first thing i know is how little i know, i try to be informed before making choices and want to always leave room to change my mind with good evidence/argument, but i have not been swayed in these 150 pages. I want the best for every stranger but to me that means standing up for that persons right to do as they decide even if it makes no sense to me.

I always wear my seatbelt. If someone stupidly doesn't and gets hurt i'll gladly pay whatever taxes so they can be treated and support their right to endanger themselves in the future.
 
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I always wear my seatbelt. If someone stupidly doesn't and gets hurt i'll gladly pay whatever taxes so they can be treated and support their right to endanger themselves in the future.
Oh I guess you don’t understand how laws work .. they NO LONGER have a right to drive without a seatbelt..doing so is break the public safety law.
 

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Amazing how many moron temper's like smf and others advocate the removal of the basic human right to refuse medical care, how about we just have the government make all personal medical decisions for you and have the government run you like you're a tesla or an iphone.

Well you could pay out of your own pocket for self harm, but I don't see why other people should pay for your mistakes.

I believe your body belongs to you as an individual but you lot think it belongs to the collective/commune.

You think the collective commune should save you, after you've actively tried to destroy the collective commune.

Anyone advocating not having a vaccine should be culpable for the deaths of the people who listen to them.
 

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Amazing how many moron temper's like smf and others advocate the removal of the basic human right to refuse medical care, how about we just have the government make all personal medical decisions for you and have the government run you like you're a tesla or an iphone. I believe your body belongs to you as an individual but you lot think it belongs to the collective/commune.

edit: can we try and be civil?

You're not very good at this, are you?

It's your freedom to deny to the vaccine, just like it's everyone else's freedom to fire your at will for not getting vaccinated, to treat you differently because of it, so on and so forth. Your freedom to unvaccinate does not supercede everyone else's freedoms, and to complain only about your freedom and not the collective is entirely selfish and hypocritical.

The fact is, mandates have been around for over 100 years, and the only reason why it's an issue now is because science has become politicized
 

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smf, i named you earlier because you are the shining example of how not to think, fascist authoritarian, take some personal responsibility, if you listen to some chump on the internet and something bad happens YOU are the one at fault not the chump.

i've never advocated anyone get or not get the vaccine, I believe that's a personal choice that should not be forced on the masses, only suggested/encouraged. Liberty is a great gift and if we throw it away without regard we are doomed to be mistreated in the future.

syphenfreht cause you say i'm not good doesn't mean thats true. people can look at your arguments and judge for themselves who is good at what. Your "Freedom" to bully and shame people is not analogous to peoples right to not be injected with new/experimental medications, you don't understand "freedom" very well.

you think things being "mandated" started 100 years ago? you think because something has been done before or for a while means its good or ok or beyond question?
 

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you think things being "mandated" started 100 years ago? you think because something has been done before or for a while means its good or ok or beyond question?
the issue is Most people never complained about public safety mandates, They never thought about it. seat belts school vaccines, traffic laws .. ... but the it seems with the Rise of a political loss arose spitefulness. Which is why most people are fuzzing about it. I didnt hear anything when most high school requested Hep c vaccines in early 2000s.. but Trump loses and now the vaccines is CCP!

AND YES this is a PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE not a VACCINE ISSUE...
as 676k dead Americans. and 4.5mill worldwide.... its Public Safety and it overrides your made-up individual freedom in ....now this is the IMPORTANT PART.... PUBLIC AREAS...
 
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i've never advocated anyone get or not get the vaccine, I believe that's a personal choice that should not be forced on the masses, only suggested/encouraged. Liberty is a great gift and if we throw it away without regard we are doomed to be mistreated in the future.

The risks and benefits of getting vaccinated vs not getting vaccinated have been crushed by people far smarter than us and the data is very clearly pro-vaccine. This is the same that happened with the various laws that make it illegal to operate a car while drunk. It's not the drunk individual's choice alone when they operate a car while drunk, their behavior directly endangers everyone else on the road due to the altered mental state and resulting slower reaction times plus worse motor skills. If you compare the vaccine to wearing a seatbelt you're missing the part where wearing a seatbelt only (directly) hurts the wearer, but the burden on the tax payer is still severe enough that fining people for not wearing one is just. In a perfect world those fines will off-set their hospital bills enough that the people that drive safe won't be affected unduly with higher tax or insurance burdens.

This all also circles back to the Freedom the government ensures to everyone. People with a license and a car have the freedom to use the roads the government built and do so without having to constantly look out for people swerving their cars around wildly. If you respect not just your own freedom but the freedom of other people the only logical conclusion is that you ensure you don't make the roads unsafe for others, meaning you drive by the laws. By ensuring you and everyone else follow the same driving laws the roads remain safe and are more easily and efficiently to use by everyone. In the same vein if you actually value other people's freedom to go about their life without fear of getting infected for no good reason by a disease that has a save vaccine you will get that vaccine so everyone can enjoy their own freedom how they see fit. If you instead believe society should just accept the potential threat in the form of unvaccinated individuals, and the resulting tax and insurance burdens as those individuals get more sick than the others, you are not for freedom for everyone, you're just for selfishness.

Also, the government wants as many people as possible vaccinated because it's literally basically free compared to the cost of hospitalizations. We're talking somewhere in the range of every dollar spent on vaccines saves a couple hundred in hospitalization and related care fees. If the vaccine wouldn't work they would not spend multiple hundreds of millions on it to get it to people.
 

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smf, i named you earlier because you are the shining example of how not to think, fascist authoritarian, take some personal responsibility, if you listen to some chump on the internet and something bad happens YOU are the one at fault not the chump.

i've never advocated anyone get or not get the vaccine, I believe that's a personal choice that should not be forced on the masses, only suggested/encouraged. Liberty is a great gift and if we throw it away without regard we are doomed to be mistreated in the future.

syphenfreht cause you say i'm not good doesn't mean thats true. people can look at your arguments and judge for themselves who is good at what. Your "Freedom" to bully and shame people is not analogous to peoples right to not be injected with new/experimental medications, you don't understand "freedom" very well.

you think things being "mandated" started 100 years ago? you think because something has been done before or for a while means its good or ok or beyond question?

I didn't specifically say you were or weren't good, I asked a question. If you infer otherwise, you are responsible for how you take it.

You call out smf and call him a fascist authoritarian, despite vaccinations being mandated in a capitalist democracy, and then complain about bullying? That comes across as hypocritical.

Bringing me to my next point, I never bullied or shamed you. Just because we disagree and I point out hypocrisy and fallacies with your statement doesn't mean I'm bullying you. You're victimizing yourself because you've run out of valid argument.

Just because it's always been done doesn't mean it's right, but when before have we had country wide issues with vaccinations that far outweigh the benefits of getting vaccine? At what point in history has the populace been misled in terms of vaccine mandates? What difference is there between this mandate and the dozens of others we've had?

You can't come in here, post bogus opinions, backpedal and attack when you get called out, and then complain of being bullied. That's a sure fire way to stray from a civil conversation.
 
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