Hacking Could a hack hold off the security Nintendo added with 5.0?

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If I stated the reasons why you seem to not know what you were talking about then it's a pretty much a correct statement. I'm not acting tough, I'm stopping people who don't actively follow these threads from spreading false information because they simply don't know. It's not my fault you attempt to talk about things you haven't looked into enough. I would suggest reading through the threads more before trying to talk about the switch and its hacks. There's a lot of info you'll want to pick up before trying to make statements as if they are facts (or at least backed somewhat by current community, dev, and exploit progress).



wow, jesus " if i stated the reasons why you seem to know know what you are talking about then its pretty much a correct statement... " Stevey, i didnt know you were still with us! how were the black holes?
 

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wow, jesus " if i stated the reasons why you seem to know know what you are talking about then its pretty much a correct statement... " Stevey, i didnt know you were still with us! how were the black holes?
Man you just really love to take anything as a personal attack. If you have any reasons why you were correct I'm all ears. But right now factually you made statements that were either incorrect or borderline on falsity given what is currently happening in the scene.
I didn't realize telling someone they were wrong (and why they were wrong) hoping to educate would be impossible, because telling someone that they don't know what they are talking about (which is a thing that can actually happen, and is not purely an insult) is too mean. I just call things like I see it, and with your statements you seemed to not fully understand everything going on in the switch scene.
 

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Man you just really love to take anything as a personal attack. If you have any reasons why you were correct I'm all ears. But right now factually you made statements that were either incorrect or borderline on falsity given what is currently happening in the scene.
I didn't realize telling someone they were wrong (and why they were wrong) hoping to educate would be impossible, because telling someone that they don't know what they are talking about (which is a thing that can actually happen, and is not purely an insult) is too mean. I just call things like I see it, and with your statements you seemed to not fully understand everything going on in the switch scene.


oh god, where to start. First and foremost is the whole " theory" thing. I was under the impression that until something is proven, it's a theory, i was taught that in school, apparently if you say its true, it has to be, and i know that other consoles have done it, but until the SWITCH does it, it is not proven to be a fact. Now, at no point did i ever say a " fake firmware" so minus points for not being able to read, what i said was " fake a firmware" which basically means spoofing it can also refer to a firmware that has been modified in a certain capacity which has also been done before, which obviously wouldn't be compatible in the online scene.

Also the switch scene is coming along but lets not get carried away here man, we don't even know if headers are thing, we dont know if emunand is possible ( probably but obviously we dont know anything yet). Basically i was trying to answer a really stupid question that could've very easily been googled, but you are really smart, so who knows with me anymore.
 

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oh god, where to start. First and foremost is the whole " theory" thing. I was under the impression that until something is proven, it's a theory, i was taught that in school, apparently if you say its true, it has to be, and i know that other consoles have done it, but until the SWITCH does it, it is not proven to be a fact. Now, at no point did i ever say a " fake firmware" so minus points for not being able to read, what i said was " fake a firmware" which basically means spoofing it can also refer to a firmware that has been modified in a certain capacity which has also been done before, which obviously wouldn't be compatible in the online scene.

Also the switch scene is coming along but lets not get carried away here man, we don't even know if headers are thing, we dont know if emunand is possible ( probably but obviously we dont know anything yet). Basically i was trying to answer a really stupid question that could've very easily been googled, but you are really smart, so who knows with me anymore.
Actually we do know emuNAND is possible as stated multiple times by SciresM and is being worked on in atmosphere-nx (the cfw being openly developed by SciresM as well).
And then there's the point you made where "I don't read" where you claim I said "fake firmware", but if YOU would actually read my post clearly says "fake a firmware" just as you stated it, and even added the quotation marks because it was a direct quote.
 
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we dont know if emunand is possible ( probably but obviously we dont know anything yet).
The thing is, some people do know, and those that have been following the progress and paying close attention also know.

It's always a risky thing to make declarative statements like that unless you're at the cutting edge yourself, and even then probably would be seen as a little arrogant by those who know more (and there are always those people even if you're stevey).
 
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SciresM recently posted in the atmosphere-nx thread. He is already almost done modifying his TZ implementation to work with everything that was changed/added in 5.0.0. So with that it literally had almost no affect other than needing to modify the custom Secure Monitor. Which is exactly what I stated would be the absolute worst case for this.
So no it had virtually no effect in the long term for cfw and emuNAND.
 

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If I understand correctly, 5.0 makes hacking a LOT harder because of some things like randomizing addresses and whatnot, and if you've already updated then you're SOL. But, say someone is on 4.1 or lower. Could a hack be made and installed, allowing the person to then update the firmware to 5.0 to nullify (or at least hibernate) the security added to that so they can keep using homebrew while at the same time make use of the new things a new firmware provides?

This is not taking into consideration the supposed new revision that's meant to patch up the bootroom and other things on the hardware level.
I think that's what they're working on right now (emuNAND)
They were able to bypass the eFuses, so we're one step closer.
 

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I think that's what they're working on right now (emuNAND)
They were able to bypass the eFuses, so we're one step closer.
They didn't really bypass the efuses. Efuses only get checked/burned early in boot. With a warmboot to emuNAND the checks/burns never occur for the emuNAND and are thus irrelevant.
 

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Chances are Nintendo WILL ban all of us using cfw, no one should doubt it after the 3DS ban waves. If you want any type of online features, you should either not use cfw, or buy another switch.

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They didn't really bypass the efuses. Efuses only get checked/burned early in boot. With a warmboot to emuNAND the checks/burns never occur for the emuNAND and are thus irrelevant.
Actually the bootloader hack, probably would bypass efuses, but they refuse to release that one....
 

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Chances are Nintendo WILL ban all of us using cfw, no one should doubt it after the 3DS ban waves. If you want any type of online features, you should either not use cfw, or buy another switch.

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Actually the bootloader hack, probably would bypass efuses, but they refuse to release that one....
They are likely holding off until it's officially patched. Not only that but the switch is not the only device using this SoC and bootrom, so there is a much larger impact on the release than something like sighax on 3ds which only affected the 3ds. There are probably other reasons but those are a couple i could think of.
 

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They didn't really bypass the efuses. Efuses only get checked/burned early in boot. With a warmboot to emuNAND the checks/burns never occur for the emuNAND and are thus irrelevant.
They did though, if the recent news is to be believed.
Also, I'm not sure it's that simple. The crypto keys are also set early in boot, and those NEED to be set, otherwise it won't be able to decrypt the system titles or any newer games. So a warmboot isn't enough.
 

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They did though, if the recent news is to be believed.
Also, I'm not sure it's that simple. The crypto keys are also set early in boot, and those NEED to be set, otherwise it won't be able to decrypt the system titles or any newer games. So a warmboot isn't enough.
Yes it is warmboot. Right now without bootrom you have to warmboot into emuNAND. Literally one of the parts of developing exosphere (the custom Secure Monitor for atmosphere-nx, ie custom TZ) was to work as though it were a coldboot from a warmboot. It was one of the notes on github.
And the efuses being irrelevant point I made I got from SciresM on the atmosphere-nx thread.
I follow these threads religiously, along with constantly reading the github for atmosphere-nx and following most of the devs on Twitter.
 
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They are likely holding off until it's officially patched. Not only that but the switch is not the only device using this SoC and bootrom, so there is a much larger impact on the release than something like sighax on 3ds which only affected the 3ds. There are probably other reasons but those are a couple i could think of.
Oh I understand that, just saying, they won't be release in it is the current stance.
 
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