Okay. Here's the boat that I'm in. I'm using NeoGamma R7 & R8. I tried using IOS revisions 14 and 17. NeoGamma R7 loads my games, but not codes (I'm NOT an internet cheater, that's lame). R8 loads codes, but gives me "DVD identify failed" (with or without codes). I've tried both loaders on all hooktypes... The game and codes have loaded before when I was on 3.3U so I'm guessing something along the upgrading process got changed. I recently made my Wii a 4.1U virgin and followed a guide on another reputable site and I know I did everything correctly. What I'm confused about is how can I find the right combination? I don't want to royally screw something up, even though I have a NAND backup. Primarily, I would like to try to get R8 working. EDIT: I'm playing around with all the settings and so far I've found that IOS36 and IOS61 cannot be used. Both cause "An error has occurred" message. While it was booting up, though, I noticed that the loader initialized the disc drive twice. This second init is what's pushing NeoGamma through the "identify failed" message, but when it comes to loa....OSSleepThread just gave me a code dump....loading the game code it freaks out and pushes out the standard error message cIOS does not do a second initialization, which is making me think more and more that I need a different IOS249 rev. Can I just load 'em in over each other and try them or should I try one at a time and use AnyTitleDeleter to remove it? I'm so confused with these IOS, cIOS, and loader issues.