From rev14's release notes: I haven't seen any topics floating around about Menu v1.2 or rev14's disc channel support. I can only assume that cIOS rev14 was a little faulty or it just opened the gate for menu 1.2 to patch the disc channel. If anyone could explain i'd appreciate it. I have preloader .29, Menu 4.1U, cIOS rev10, neogamma r6. Neogamma r7's reboot with hooks doesn't play well with preloader. Could I use these two waninkoko items to avoid cioscorp?