Child Pornography case that caused 3DS DoA sale ban finally over

[Mazor]

So a person was about to go to jail for drawing loli?

Not sure why you would draw the conclusion that he drew them as it is nowhere said that he did, he simply had them on his harddrive. Ironically he could not have even have been convicted in the first place had he drawn the images himself, as according to the Swedish law on child pornography the law does not apply to any work created by the possessor (second sentence under 10 b § in the link).

Wait wait wait. So you're saying that if I took CP pictures in Sweden it would be okay because I was the photographer??

No, this would thankfully not be possible in any western country. A photograph of a real child is not a work you created and even if someone would claim it is that is irrelevant because the law is specifically about crafted work (read the link in the post you are quoting if you want the details, although the google translate is admittedly a bit unclear). Besides, it's not like you would only be charged with possession if you went and took pictures of naked children, whether you even still possessed the images would be pretty irrelevant and you would still be charged.

I can only assume those who fight guys case are fans of the same or similar content. Personally, I am of mature enough mind to avoid any of that crap.....whether you feel its an amazing art form or not, the issue remains of the indecent portrayal of children.....real or not, you have to be a sick fuck to work with or enjoy looking at such material.....PERIOD!

So the guy was a translator for sick fucks? Oh, that makes it allright then!! Someone made the point earlier that there is a difference between the real thing and the fake thing, and someone should know the difference.....YES, they should and should also be of mature enough mind to say "No, I will not translate this filth for any amount of money."

I mean.....c'mon.....someone actually had to think of a child in this way in order to portray it as an indecent image. WTF???????? I don't care who you are or what you are, no one can sugar coat this as nothing short of disgusting.

The series I mentioned and every other series Lundström has translated are stories that target a children/teen audience and, unlike much of the adult oriented content created in Japan which is usually frowned upon here, are vastly popular here in the west. In other words the parents of the millions of children and teens you just called sick fucks don't see the filth you are blindly speculating that these works are made up of without spending a second taking an actual look because you already know you are right.

I'm sure these parents are all wrong and you, someone who has not given manga even a glance, are the one who is right. The sick fuck children who have not yet learned a second language are all much better off without this sick fuck translator translating the devils work for them to read. Also, thank you for keeping the morals of our society by calling anyone interested in works that you have no knowledge whatsoever of sick fucks. On a side note, your last paragraph implies you are under the impression that Lundström drew any of the images. He did not, read the other posts in this thread.

I still respect the opinion you originally expressed, that you think it's wrong to possess children depicted sexually even if they are non-existent. On some level I could even symphatize with your initial reaction to call Lundström a sick fuck. The absurdity of your claims in this post is however beyond words. Please get acquainted with the subject before you call anyone a sick fuck. This also goes for any discussion, regardless of the topic.

 

[Issac]

I'm glad he was freed! I remember back when he was first accused, the lawyer people thought that the girls had too small breasts to be adult enough. there was no other age indication stated on those pictures, but that the breasts were too small..... yeah.

 

[Minox]

This could very well happen again unless that flawed law is fixed to prevent these things. Drawn pictures of imaginary young characters in certain situations may be repulsive to a lot of people, but by applying this law to fiction they're basically saying that fictional characters are victimized and can be compared to actual victims. That is wrong on so many levels and is a deep insult to actual victims of this crime.

How about chasing actual criminals instead of wasting cash on applying absolutely stupidly phrased laws.

So the guy was a translator for sick fucks? Oh, that makes it allright then!! Someone made the point earlier that there is a difference between the real thing and the fake thing, and someone should know the difference.....YES, they should and should also be of mature enough mind to say "No, I will not translate this filth for any amount of money."

You have no idea what kind of work he has done, do you? I find it hard to believe you would actually make that statement if that was the case.

 

[Midna]

I'm glad he was freed! I remember back when he was first accused, the lawyer people thought that the girls had too small breasts to be adult enough. there was no other age indication stated on those pictures, but that the breasts were too small..... yeah.

Pornography is banned in Australia if the women have small breasts
Doesn't matter if they're adults. Big titties only, or else it might *look* like CP

 

[Tanas]

I'm glad he was freed! I remember back when he was first accused, the lawyer people thought that the girls had too small breasts to be adult enough. there was no other age indication stated on those pictures, but that the breasts were too small..... yeah.

Pornography is banned in Australia if the women have small breasts
Doesn't matter if they're adults. Big titties only, or else it might *look* like CP

Does the same apply to men with little dicks.

 

[stinkoman]

How is it even child porn?
It's just possible to look up a little girls skirt, you can do that in real life you know.

You get a grip of yourself. Even if that opportunity presented itself.....any normal human being just wouldn't look in that remote direction. Whether its a drawing or not, its a gateway to actual real child images imo. Why on earth would you have a pornagraphic fanatasy depiction of a child in the first place????

Your as sick as the fuck in the OP story.....

Slippery slope arguments are bullshit. Not that I'm particularly enthusiastic about lolicon and all that, I'd greatly prefer someone who whacks it to drawn children rather than someone who actually goes out and molests children. Can you quick making huge accusations and being a giant dick about this? It's not really that weird.

 

[Zerosuit connor]

How is it even child porn?
It's just possible to look up a little girls skirt, you can do that in real life you know.

You get a grip of yourself. Even if that opportunity presented itself.....any normal human being just wouldn't look in that remote direction. Whether its a drawing or not, its a gateway to actual real child images imo. Why on earth would you have a pornagraphic fanatasy depiction of a child in the first place????

Your as sick as the fuck in the OP story.....

Slippery slope arguments are bullshit. Not that I'm particularly enthusiastic about lolicon and all that, I'd greatly prefer someone who whacks it to drawn children rather than someone who actually goes out and molests children. Can you quick making huge accusations and being a giant dick about this? It's not really that weird.

Theres a huge difference between exploiting young children and drawing loli or shotacon. The fact is that beating off to cartoon is something that some people want to do, whats better?

Exploiting/Raping/Beating off to pictures of real children
or
Reading a dirty comic?

 

[stinkoman]

How is it even child porn?
It's just possible to look up a little girls skirt, you can do that in real life you know.

You get a grip of yourself. Even if that opportunity presented itself.....any normal human being just wouldn't look in that remote direction. Whether its a drawing or not, its a gateway to actual real child images imo. Why on earth would you have a pornagraphic fanatasy depiction of a child in the first place????

Your as sick as the fuck in the OP story.....

Slippery slope arguments are bullshit. Not that I'm particularly enthusiastic about lolicon and all that, I'd greatly prefer someone who whacks it to drawn children rather than someone who actually goes out and molests children. Can you quick making huge accusations and being a giant dick about this? It's not really that weird.

Theres a huge difference between exploiting young children and drawing loli or shotacon. The fact is that beating off to cartoon is something that some people want to do, whats better?

Exploiting/Raping/Beating off to pictures of real children
or
Reading a dirty comic?

That was actually my point, he's using a really shitty argument. I don't really have an issue with lolicons although I don't partake.

 

[Zerosuit connor]

How is it even child porn?
It's just possible to look up a little girls skirt, you can do that in real life you know.

You get a grip of yourself. Even if that opportunity presented itself.....any normal human being just wouldn't look in that remote direction. Whether its a drawing or not, its a gateway to actual real child images imo. Why on earth would you have a pornagraphic fanatasy depiction of a child in the first place????

Your as sick as the fuck in the OP story.....

Slippery slope arguments are bullshit. Not that I'm particularly enthusiastic about lolicon and all that, I'd greatly prefer someone who whacks it to drawn children rather than someone who actually goes out and molests children. Can you quick making huge accusations and being a giant dick about this? It's not really that weird.

Theres a huge difference between exploiting young children and drawing loli or shotacon. The fact is that beating off to cartoon is something that some people want to do, whats better?

Exploiting/Raping/Beating off to pictures of real children
or
Reading a dirty comic?

That was actually my point, he's using a really shitty argument. I don't really have an issue with lolicons although I don't partake.

Each one to his or her own.

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[Deleted-188346]

This is not some random dude we're talking about, it's the sole Swedish translator of numerous manga works (One Piece, Detective Conan and Neon Genesis Evangelion to name a few) and has a collection of over 4000 comics.

So, his career and works somehow elevate him above a "random dude"?
His status should not have any bearing on whether judgement should or shouldn't be passed on him.

Whether he has a collection of other images or comics also shouldn't have a bearing on anything.

Exploiting/Raping/Beating off to pictures of real children
or
Reading a dirty comic?

It's one or the other is it? Based on what?
Infact, if people really were like that, and if they would sexually assault a child simply because they can't read a dirty comic, then they need serious help.

I hate this argument, where people create a false "well it's one or the other!" choice.

 

[PyroSpark]

Will you all still be supporting this guy if it leads to actual child porn? Pics of kids in any pornographic nature is fucked up in my opinion....drawing or not,
he's still fantasising about a child......fucking weirdo imho.

I wouldn't be surprised if in the near future he's up on actual indecent child images.

This is exactly how I feel about loli and shota lovers.

 

[Thesolcity]

I was just having the same conversation with some friends a couple days back. We (ultimately?) decided after debating the issue and taking into accounts other examples that it is victimless and a form of free expression. That's it, plain and simple. Those that said "Well hurr gateway to cp" were found to have no evidence to prove this and were immediately lumped into the "Hurr marijuana gateway", "hurr alcohol gateway", and "hurr violence in video games gateway" category. An individual's opinion (such as mine or yours) doesn't immediately subvert the free expression of another simply because you don't like it. Don't want to see it? Close the window like I do. Its not being shoved in your face, so continue with your rage-induced lifestyle comforted in the fact that you do NOT have to look at this. Carry on.

Spoiler

Spoiler'd because nobody cares. I have not seen an instance of loli worth advocating. Which means...I've found none of it appealing. Therefore, my stance is to just leave the loli lovers alone and accept that I will never "get" it. As long as no real children are hurt, I see nothing worth fighting.

 

[KingVamp]

His whole argument is, if you this then you will do that. Which isn't fair at all.

It really like saying, if I play violent videos games, I'm absolutely going to do violence.

Also a point about that loli thing (which isn't even CP), you saying they support this thing, so they support this too, or even you support it so there for you do it yourself is a bad unfair,argument.

He trying marge two separate things together with what if's?.

 

[Midna]

Oh wow, everyone in this thread arguing against this guy is just saying it's "sick" and using the slippery slope fallacy
Answer me this. Who does one hurt by beating off to drawings?
Victimless crimes don't exist. If it's not hurting anyone than there's no problem.

 

[Issac]

and also, who say he's even beating off to it? The point is that he has a huge collection of manga on his hard drive due to his work as a manga translator. a very small collection of those happened to have girls with too small breasts. There is no info if it was nudity, panties, "oops i fell on you", sexy poses? Only that it is too small breasts and something that can lead to sexy thoughts.

Yet again, like some say: If you like movies, and have a huge collection of movies... what if you have one movie with a [censored] scene? (big hit "girl with the dragon tattoo" comes to mind)... Does that make you a perverted sick fuck who needs to be locked up, because you ARE going to [censored] someone? Or, like some of you say... are you a sick fuck for masturbating to that [censored] scene?? how can you do that?! You DO have a movie with a [censored] scene, of course you are beating off to it!

 

[Rydian]

The fact is that beating off to cartoon is something that some people want to do

So that's what was happening here?

'Cause I haven't read the course documents, but I've seen no mention of that, and I assume that if something like that was going on (the pictures were obviously for masturbation purposes) then it'd be important enough to be mentioned in the case.

Or that more than a single image would have been determined to be bad.

 

[pasc]

How is it even child porn?
It's just possible to look up a little girls skirt, you can do that in real life you know.

Dunno man, but your signature and this post... WeIrD

 

[Guild McCommunist]

How is it even child porn?
It's just possible to look up a little girls skirt, you can do that in real life you know.

And you'll probably get punched in the fucking face if you do and, if you're lucky, get a nice ass beating. You're also making the worst possible argument. It's possible to murder someone in real life but it doesn't mean I fucking should.

It's hard to pass judgment on this guy without actually seeing the images (but from the looks of I don't think I want to) but generally I find this "child pornography" cases sickening. If they're depicting people of a younger age, whether realistic looking or fantasy looking, doing sexual acts, then it's child pornography. Doesn't matter if it's real or fake, anything that promotes a sexual fantasy with children is utterly disgusting and should be burned at the stake.

 

[Rydian]

@[member='Guild McCommunist']

If you've watched an episode of Shin Chan (such as when it aired on cartoon network) where he does the "Mr. Elephant Dance", then you've viewed anime drawings of an underage boy's genitals.

 

[Luigi2012SM64DS]

im guessing everyone who psted here is a perv