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  1. melodical
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    Member melodical GBAtemp Regular

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    Hi i have recently successfully modded my pal wii to 4.0E and wanted to clarify and finalize a few details about bootmii(v2) after reading a few different conflicting Opinion's on different threads throughout GBAtemp.

    Please can someone help me out with my queries??


    (Although im relatively new to the scene many other newbs are answering my questions and im not sure what they are saying is correct!)

    I currently have a NAND & bootmii installed to boot2 & preloader 0.29 - set to no updates - using cios36 rev10 files.

    Q1.

    Can i remove the sd card so that ONLY I CAN use the the softmodded features of a successful 4.0e upgrade. (Other users will only be able to play originals!!) I'm scared of them messing with the bootmii menu even though it set to boot to wii menu after 3 seconds after changing the xml settings file.

    Q2.

    can i copy my APPS>BOOTMII folder to the same folder structure on a 2ND SD CARD without future read problems and for backup purposes. (I know i could have a pc backup instead but this is not what i am asking) (i want to have a backup of my entire sd card so i can use a newer/larger card instead i.e SD 4gb??, or SDHC larger cards. (compatible ones!!) I realise that it would need to be big enough to hold and reinstall a backup NAND 500mb+ and assume that the brand of the sd card would not make a difference if it was on the compatibity list. (and also use the same fat16/fat formating!)

    Q3.
    Is my wii less safe without having the the sd card inserted? (with boot mii and preoloader on there?)

    Q4.
    Is bootmii installed to the sd or the wii? (I think its sd!)

    Q5.
    Is preloader installed to the wii or the sd card. Can i remove sd card and still have full usage of preloader and the "disk update skipping" facility?

    Q6.
    If i took out the sd as in Q1 and someone did turn on the wii and click on the nintendo disk loader channel to try and play a backup what would happen? (I assume they could play originals without any probs!)

    Q7
    If I have BOOTMII saved to BOOT2 and a nand backup WITH or WITHOUT preloader 0.29 AM I NOW BRICKPROOF?

    Q8.
    (Off topic but...) would I be right in saying that CIOSCORP can be uninstalled if semi bricked or just bricked? NAND restore would get rid of cioscorp stuff, even when installing to IOS's rather than boot2?

    Q9.
    What is the difference between a semi brick and a full brick? (apart from the obvious!) Could you provide examples please?

    Q10.
    If the worst came to the worst and i bricked, would i really have to format the same sd to restore NAND or restore it from another sd?

    Q11.

    I.E..............To quote a thread:

    (http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=154828&st=45 - unsettling bootmii guide!)

    QUOTE(Link5084 @ May 15 2009, 05:06 AM)
    "Is there any advantage of installing this as Boot2 instead of IOS?"

    REPLY BY: icpmattj
    "yeah nintendo cant delete it by updating the iso that its using."

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    Question is: Does this mean that i can still update officially by nintendo and still do all of the softmod stuff without further installs/upgrades/downgrades as i have installed to boot 2?


    Q12
    Before softmodding a wii, what is the earliest time you can install preloader v0.29 (i.e before hbc and bootmii or after or whenever?

    Q13
    Does anyone know of a wad checker that will tell me if i can play certain foreign wads i.e 4.0J without them banner bricking me? i.e jap version of crazy asian game called 'Muscl3 Marc1h'

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    Sorry to ask so many questions but im trying to get good opinions on this. I also think they may be relevant and up to date Q's that hopefully people may need answered.

    Thanks in advance people!
     
  2. Slade.AU

    Member Slade.AU GBAtemp Regular

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    That's a lot of questions. So lets keep this simple and easy.

    1/ Yes. Removing the SD card leaves only the HomeBrew Channel, which needs to read stuff from the SD card to work. So no usbloaders, etc. Depending on how hacked your Wii is, you may be able to run backups via the disk channel.

    2/ Yes. I have done this. None of the data, aside from Official Nintendo stuff, is Wii specific. Well, your nand backup is, but you don't intend on sharing this stuff, just moving it to a new SD card.

    3/ No. (see below)

    4/ BootMii, if installed as Boot2, is a small "stub" that runs the files on the SD card. If BootMii can't find the files, then it boots to the Wii Menu. You don't have any less protection. Put the SD card back in at any stage and bingo, you have the BootMii menu back. Even if you brick your Wii (eg Banner Brick), then put the SD with the BootMii files and BootMii will load again.

    5/ I'm not sure, I don't use (nor like) Preloader. My own personal opinion, others think it's the bees knee's.

    6/ Depends. Do you have ciosCorp installed? I'm fairly certain that's what you need for backups from the Disk Channel. I don't use it, and I don't need it. My Wii is chipped. If you do, then backups can be played, if you don't, then they can't. Originals should always run.

    7/ Nothing is ever 100% brickproof. Even without Preloader (which I don't like), you're about as good as you're going to get now.

    8/ NAND restore would only get rid of cIOScorp if you backed up your NAND prior to installing cIOScorp. And I'm not sure how well you can restore from BootMii as an IOS.

    9/ Aside from the obvious ? No idea. A semi brick often refers to installing updates from other regions which can mess up your Wii Menu, but autoboot games can still run (they bypass the menu). Other than that, I don't have any experience.

    10/ Another SD should be fine. The reason for the format was to ensure you had a completely defragmented SD card. BootMii V1 needed one contiguous file, where as BootMii V2 is happy with a fragmented file.

    11/ BootMii sits in the boot2 space if installed there, so it won't be erased by Nintendo. Everything else is fair game. If you install an update, BootMii will still work, but all your other softmods may not.

    12/ No idea. Dislike Preloader.

    13/ You won't get Banner Bricked from "official" wads. The reason for a banner brick is Nintendo does absolutely no sanity checking on banner files. So if the banner doesn't conform to Nintendo's specifications 100% then the Wii throws a fit and won't load the system menu. If the wad is a proper dump without modification, then it will install fine. You will need to patch the wad with FreeTheWads before hand, otherwise your Wii won't let you play it.

    My suggestion would be to use Nago's WiiWare OffLineList. You can find it by searching GBATemp. His VC list isn't available yet, but he's working on it, so it should be out before long. Using the list you can be sure that the Wad is legit, and won't brick your Wii.

    I hope I've helped answer some of your many questions.
     
  3. kLiNiKaL

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    Q1. if you have CORP installed then you can play copies from disc channel with or without the SD but you cant enter bootmii menu or launch anything from HBC

    Q2. YES

    Q3. This isnt a issue

    Q4. the loader that shows the menu is stored in the wii, the actual menu is on the SD, it checks at boot to see if you have a SD card with bootmii files, if not it just autoboots system menu.

    Q5. YES

    Q6. without corp installed nothing would happen with a copy in the disc channel even wit the SD inserted.

    Q7. 99% yes, never under estimate stupidity

    Q8. corp can be uninstalled at any time but it crucial to remember you must get the original IOS's and install them over the top of corp never uninstall a IOS. EVER

    Q9. full brick is no access to system menu, semi bricks r usually region related and can b fixed easily and occur through user error mainly.

    Q10. just put the .bin on your BootMii SD card, it must have the /BootMii folder to load the bootmii menu

    Q11. boot2 installation means it loads before any of the system menu, meaning you can recover system menu..and also run you own code prior to nintendo code.

    Q12. i would personally into HomeBrew Channel first, then preloader if you want to use it.

    Q13. see above


    Quick and i'm tired and high lol but yer
     
  4. nabster92

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    <!--quoteo(post=2129538:date=Jul 18 2009, 09:43 PM:name=melodical)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(melodical @ Jul 18 2009, 09:43 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2129538"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><b>Hi i have recently successfully modded my pal wii to 4.0E and wanted to clarify and finalize a few details about bootmii(v2) after reading a few different conflicting Opinion's on different threads throughout GBAtemp.

    Please can someone help me out with my queries??</b>

    <i><b>No [/sarcasm]</b></i>

    (Although im relatively new to the scene many other newbs are answering my questions and im not sure what they are saying is correct!)

    <b>I currently have a NAND & bootmii installed to boot2 & preloader 0.29 - set to no updates - using cios36 rev10 files.</b>

    <b>Q1.</b>

    Can i remove the sd card so that ONLY I CAN use the the softmodded features of a successful 4.0e upgrade. (Other users will only be able to play originals!!) I'm scared of them messing with the bootmii menu even though it set to boot to wii menu after 3 seconds after changing the xml settings file.

    <i><b>This depends on what you installed on your Wii. If you installed a wad of an application to make it a channel (that isn't a .dol forwarder) like a backup loader or something it can still be used without an SD card. Once you've already done what you need to with bootmii for now you're not really gonna need it unless you want to make another NAND backup or you actually bricked yourself so you can just set the bootdelay to 0 and it will directly boot to whatever you set it to (HBC or system menu) without having the menu pop up for anyone to mess with. Then just set it back to something higher if you actually need it again. Removing the SD card would serve the same purpose.</b>
    </i>
    <b>Q2.</b>

    can i copy my APPS>BOOTMII folder to the same folder structure on a 2ND SD CARD without future read problems and for backup purposes. (I know i could have a pc backup instead but this is not what i am asking) (i want to have a backup of my entire sd card so i can use a newer/larger card instead i.e SD 4gb??, or SDHC larger cards. (compatible ones!!) I realise that it would need to be big enough to hold and reinstall a backup NAND 500mb+ and assume that the brand of the sd card would not make a difference if it was on the compatibity list. (and also use the same fat16/fat formating!)

    <i><b>First off the bootmii folder should be in the root of your SD card not in your apps folder. Second yes you can copy it to anything else. As long as the other card is compatible with bootmii it should work just the same.</b></i>

    <b>Q3.</b>
    Is my wii less safe without having the the sd card inserted? (with boot mii and preoloader on there?)

    <i><b>Bootmii won't load without the sd card inserted which won't mean you are less protected as at any point in time you can just turn it off, put the sd card back, and boot up again and it will load. You should still be able to access preloader regardless as it replaces the system menu on the Wii and moves it somewhere else so it's not really anything to do with the sd card. If you set preloader to autoboot the system menu, then holding reset when powering on should still let you access preloader with or without the SD card.</b></i>

    <b>Q4.</b>
    Is bootmii installed to the sd or the wii? (I think its sd!)

    <i><b>There are 2 blocks in the boot2 sector of the Wii that bootmii writes something to if you do a boot2 install. 2 blocks is a very small amount of space, but it is enough to put something there to make look for something on the root of the sd card named "bootmii" when going through it. So most of the bootmii code is written to your sd card.</b></i>

    <b>Q5.</b>
    Is preloader installed to the wii or the sd card. Can i remove sd card and still have full usage of preloader and the "disk update skipping" facility?

    <i><b>You should still have full preloader functionality. As I said it installs to the Wii and replaces the system menu and moves it somewhere else. And the hacks.ini is also something that is installed to the Wii and can pretty much only be removed via NANDclean I believe. So yes preloader and all of it's goodies should work fine without an SD card.</b></i>

    <b>Q6.</b>
    If i took out the sd as in Q1 and someone did turn on the wii and click on the nintendo disk loader channel to try and play a backup what would happen? (I assume they could play originals without any probs!)

    <i><b>The disc channel would not read the backup disc if they tried to load it through that unless you have CIOSCORP installed or a modchip. Originals would play fine. (provided you have the IOS's necessary for it to run.)

    Edit: They would also still be able to launch the HBC as that channel is still installed to the Wii, but without the SD card the only thing they will see in it is bubbles.</b></i>

    <b>Q7 </b>
    If I have BOOTMII saved to BOOT2 and a nand backup WITH or WITHOUT preloader 0.29 AM I NOW BRICKPROOF?

    <i><b>Pretty much as long as you don't open up the hackmii installer and uninstall bootmii then yes. Bootmii + a NAND backup will fix any brick, but will also restore EVERYTHING on the Wii to how it was at the point you made that backup you restored including save game progress and such. Bricking will not spontaneously happen though. It will only happen if you do anything that is potentially dangerous such as installing/uninstalling something or something like that. To avoid losing much progress with anything. Before you do ANYTHING that could possibly brick you. Make another NAND backup before you do (after backing up the previous one to your PC or something). Then if something goes wrong just restore that recent backup and you won't have lost anything.</b></i>

    <b>Q8.</b>
    (Off topic but...) would I be right in saying that CIOSCORP can be uninstalled if semi bricked or just bricked? NAND restore would get rid of cioscorp stuff, even when installing to IOS's rather than boot2?

    <i><b>If your NAND backup was made before CIOSCORP was installed then a NAND restore will get rid of CIOSCORP. Think of the NAND restore as a sort of system restore in windows. Windows periodically makes system restore points that you can restore to that will revert everything on the computer back to how it was at that state. If you periodically make NAND backups through bootmii it would be the same sort of thing and restoring any of those backups will revert everything on your Wii back to how it was at that state.</b></i>

    <b>Q9.</b>
    What is the difference between a semi brick and a full brick? (apart from the obvious!) Could you provide examples please?

    <i><b>A semi brick I believe is when you can no longer access the Wii settings in the system menu. This generally occurs if you update your Wii with something that isn't from your region.

    A normal brick is when your system menu gets corrupted. If you don't have preloader or bootmii this would mean you can't do jack shit with your Wii hence the term "brick" at that point that is the extent of the use of that Wii. A brick. Not even a concrete brick. A brick made from plastic and electronics. With preloader and bootmii however you have something that loads before the system menu so you can actually access something to fix whatever you fucked up. Doing a NAND restore isn't always the best solution to fixing a brick. If you get a banner brick by installing a badly formed wad. The best way to fix it would be to go to wad manager from bootmii or preloader and uninstall the bad wad you just installed.</b></i>

    <b>Q10.</b>
    If the worst came to the worst and i bricked, would i really have to format the same sd to restore NAND or restore it from another sd?

    <i><b>You should be able to just copy that nand.bin file over to any bootmii compatible SD card (that is compatible with restoring as well) and it should restore fine. As I said above though, look into other ways you can fix the brick before resorting to the NAND restore as it's not always necessary to overwrite every block of memory on your Wii to fix something.</b></i>

    <b>Q11.</b>

    I.E..............To quote a thread:

    (http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=154828&st=45 - unsettling bootmii guide!)

    <i>QUOTE(Link5084 @ May 15 2009, 05:06 AM)
    "Is there any advantage of installing this as Boot2 instead of IOS?"

    REPLY BY: icpmattj
    "yeah nintendo cant delete it by updating the iso that its using."</i>
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    <b>Question is:</b> Does this mean that i can still update officially by nintendo and still do all of the softmod stuff without further installs/upgrades/downgrades as i have installed to boot 2?
    <b></b>

    <i><b>Don't update anything without knowing what it does and what it will do to anything on your Wii. Any sort of firmware update will automatically get rid of preloader and any hacks you have enabled. It should also get rid of CIOSCORP. Other than that official updates don't really delete anything from your Wii. They basically just update the IOS's to what they should be (which doing so at all gets rid of CIOSCORP) and installs a new system menu (which gets rid of preloader).</b></i>

    <b>Q12</b>
    Before softmodding a wii, what is the earliest time you can install preloader v0.29 (i.e before hbc and bootmii or after or whenever?

    <i><b>When you are on the system menu version that you will be staying on and you have an IOS36 that preloader can use to install itself. No reason to do this before installing HBC. First thing that should be done on a virgin Wii is running bannerbomb to run the boot.elf of the hackmii installer and using that to install the HBC and bootmii. Everything else comes after that. (All that needs to be done after that is running the Trucha Bug Restorer to get the trucha bug back on IOS36 and then running a cIOS installer using that IOS36 to install itself to IOS249, then whatever else you want to do with the Wii from that point, update it to whatever FW you want to be on, install preloader when you're set on your FW, and so on.)</b></i>

    <b>Q13 </b>
    Does anyone know of a wad checker that will tell me if i can play certain foreign wads i.e 4.0J without them banner bricking me? i.e jap version of crazy asian game called 'Muscl3 Marc1h'

    <i><b>Installing a foreign wad won't banner brick you unless it is just a bad wad to begin with (in which case the region wouldn't matter) If you have both preloader and bootmii you should be fine regardless. Just make sure wherever you get the wad from says it works on your region as well and then just install it. If it does happen to banner brick you the go into preloader or bootmii, launch the HBC, load wad manger and delete it the same way you installed it (except click uninstall instead of install of course.)</b></i>

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    <b>Sorry to ask so many questions but im trying to get good opinions on this. I also think they may be relevant and up to date Q's that hopefully people may need answered.</b>

    <b>Thanks in advance people!</b><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    Final notes:

    Don't ever try to "uninstall" CIOSCORP. To get rid of it, you update your IOS's. Uninstalling CIOSCORP would basically involve uninstalling every IOS on your system which is a very bad thing (although still recoverable with bootmii with a NAND restore to a state before doing that) On that note, never uninstall ANY sort of IOS at any time. IOS's are to be installed over, not uninstalled. Also on that note, I don't advise using CIOSCORP in the first place. Before using it you should know that what it does is modify EVERY IOS on your system. It is pretty much the most invasive thing you can do to your Wii, and I don't know about you, but I don't like shit getting invasive down there. [/penisjoke]

    Also note that as you are on cIOS rev10, you do not have usb support for anything other than a usb drive used for a usb loader. Updating to rev13a will fix that. Also rev14 is supposed to come out like in a week or so so you could also wait for that if you want.
     
  5. melodical
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    Wow great selection of responses have I!

    I think you may need to rest your fingers for a few days after answering all of my questions!

    You all deserve it!!!

    Sorry about the cioscorp q's people, I was asking questions about cioscorp just for my own interest. I do not have cioscorp installed and i had no intention to do so.


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    Nabster:
    "Q4.
    Is bootmii installed to the sd or the wii? (I think its sd!)

    There are 2 blocks in the boot2 sector of the Wii that bootmii writes something to if you do a boot2 install. 2 blocks is a very small amount of space, but it is enough to put something there to make look for something on the root of the sd card named "bootmii" when going through it. So most of the bootmii code is written to your sd card."


    If bootmii release a newer version of their software (im on v2). Then will the forwarder thats on boot2 work with it. or would i have to uninstall the old bootmii and install the newer version instead? You may not know this as you are not fortune tellers but thought id ask your opinion(s)

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    Nabster:
    Q12
    Before softmodding a wii, what is the earliest time you can install preloader v0.29 (i.e before hbc and bootmii or after or whenever?

    When you are on the system menu version that you will be staying on and you have an IOS36 that preloader can use to install itself. No reason to do this before installing HBC. First thing that should be done on a virgin Wii is running bannerbomb to run the boot.elf of the hackmii installer and using that to install the HBC and bootmii. Everything else comes after that. (All that needs to be done after that is running the Trucha Bug Restorer to get the trucha bug back on IOS36 and then running a cIOS installer using that IOS36 to install itself to IOS249, then whatever else you want to do with the Wii from that point, update it to whatever FW you want to be on, install preloader when you're set on your FW, and so on.)



    I recently had to reinstall my cios36rev10 as the rev i had downloaded originally was buggy and was causing me to get 'read errors' (Reinstalling cios fixed my prob!) I had installed preloader before reinstalling cios. After reading your answer to q12, will I need to reinstall preloader.

    (As i dont have the wii here as i modded it for a friend I cant check but i think it is still working as i'm quite sure that I changed the preloader to boot into the system menu when clicking on the wii button in the bootmii menu! after reinstalling the cios's)

    Should it still work as i have not changed the firmware version since, (I think you kinda hinted at this above but i'm just trying to clarify.)



    nabster:
    "Also note that as you are on cIOS rev10, you do not have usb support for anything other than a usb drive used for a usb loader. Updating to rev13a will fix that. Also rev14 is supposed to come out like in a week or so so you could also wait for that if you want."

    Yeah i'll wait till rev14 is out before i install the new cios.
    What other benefits are you talking about with rev13a, do you mean loading roms and films from usb stick or using bigger sd and sdhc cards?

    Thanks as usual go out to nabster92 & kLiNiKaL for all your help and support I have received from you both since day one of me joining this forum.. You guys are great at providing clear and concise answers to every question I have ever asked (quite a few!!! [​IMG])

    Much props to you guys and also Slade.AU for also answering my questions within 5 mins of me posting this thread! I have taken all of your comments on board!

    If anyone else is reading this thread please DO NOT EVER ignore the advice of nabster92 & kLiNiKaL as it is usually highly accurate and up to date!!

    Keep up the good work guys!!
    [​IMG]
     

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